Business advise needed๐Ÿ˜ณ, reg estimate to illustrate


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    @marine @MichaelaH @nadyart @Phil-Cullen @theprairiefox
    Thankyou for all of the great advice. I am ready to respond to the editor. I will let you know how it goes. ๐Ÿ™‚โค๏ธ



  • Also, for a project that size a kill fee would not be unheard of.

    Buy a copy of the society of Illustrators Pricing Guidelines. That will give you pointers on what limitations are on the pricing (number of proofs, changes requested, ownership of original artwork, rights purchased, etc).

    Here is a link for the book

    https://www.amazon.com/Artists-Guild-Graphic/e/B07MFZLN9N?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1559575607&sr=1-1



  • Everyone has made some excellent points already here, you have every right to ask as many questions as you need before coming up with some prices. I would definitely ask them what work they saw of yours that they liked and what they intend to do with the book.
    If they're not legit or worth your time, then they probably won't be able to answer these questions. If you do go ahead with them, I would definitely make sure you have a signed contract with them, a kill fee and maybe even an advance seeing as though it's a LOT of illustrations!


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    Update:
    Just wanted to let everyone know, I considered everyone's advice (Thank you!) and sent out this email:

    "Good morning Ms. ********,

    Thank you for you consideration! This sounds likes a big project. I have some questions before I can give you an appropriate estimate.

    What are the size specifications for the book?
    Would you want all 55 pages to be full bleed?
    Would I be responsible for the graphic design and page turns?
    Would I be doing the cover as well?
    Can you give me some information on the story? How many main characters? What type of setting are they in, etc?
    Where did you see my art and which pieces were you drawn to?
    Do you have a budget and timeline for this project?
    What will the usage rights be?

    Looking forward to your response,
    Lisa Burvant"

    It's been 10 days and I haven't heard back. So now I'm thinking, Was I too pushy in my questions? Or, maybe the publisher was not really that interested. Either way, after I sent the email I stopped thinking about it. If it was meant to be then she would have responded, right?
    ....I hope I didn't do something wrong... NO! I didn't. I may not have asked all the right questions, but I had to ask. It was a professional thing to do... right? LOL ๐Ÿ˜ณ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜œ



  • @burvantill - hmm, perhaps it is just taking some time to get back. Sometimes emails get buried. You could just follow-up and let her know you were just checking-in and still interested in the project, see if there are any other questions that you could help to answer. If you're still interested, that is...


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    @djly good idea. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜ƒ



  • @burvantill You were definitely not too pushy. If anything you were straight and to the point, all of those are very valid points you raised. Imagine getting half way through the project and then there was a miss-understanding about if you were to the graphic design. If it wasn't specifically stated in a contract that it was only illustration required that would be a mess, and to continue working on illustrations when the relationship with the client sours is soooooooooooooo painful, trust me. So you can look at all of these questions as a basis to form what will be in the agreement, it is just best practice. I would be weary about anyone who would have a problem with these questions.

    Not getting a response straight away can be various different reasons, but you are right, send it forget and about it. Don't let it take up any more of your creative head space, until you get more info.

    But don't doubt yourself, your response sounded spot on.



  • @burvantill

    If they don't want to answer those questions (or have you asking those questions) then you probably dodged a bullet.

    However, I've had a client that took a month to get back to me about sketches (and this was a time sensitive project and AFTER they'd paid me) so it may just be that they're working on a different timeline ๐Ÿ™‚

    I don't think you did anything wrong.


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    @Phil-Cullen @Braden-Hallett Thanx guys. That makes me feel much better about this. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ



  • I don't think you are too pushy. It's they responsible to give that information actually.
    But I totally understand your feelings, I also often feel that way after I answered emails like that๐Ÿ˜…

    what I realized later is that usually if the email didn't mention specific names, they usually send similar emails to some illustrators for checking the prices. I realized this because my sister is an illustrator as well so sometimes we get similar emails from the same sender๐Ÿ˜‚

    but I wish you all the best!


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    @lenwen thank you ๐Ÿ™‚


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