I just finished listening to the podcast and one of my favorite points was when the guys talked about dreams as imagining what you would do every day. Because (to borrow from Annie Dillard), how we spend our days is how we spend our lives! In fact, I don't even care so much about being well-known, except that it would hopefully mean that I was making beautiful art. I just want to be able to be able to do what I'm already doing well enough that someone else enjoys it and so I get to keep doing it.
Parts of this podcast reminded me very much of a 2016 film, Florence Foster Jenkins. It's based on the true story of a woman who wanted to be an opera singer but wasn't talented. But her husband was rich, so he fed her dream of singing at Carnegie Hall. The film presents any number of interesting questions other than talent, but I think it strikes a chord in the heart of many artists because we are all afraid of suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect. In reality, probably just as many artists have Imposter Syndrome instead. The best balance is realism, but regardless of where we are, we all need a safe space to try, fail, and try again. The problem is that it's just notoriously hard to self-judge!