Next 3rd Thursday: Agents

QuietYell · 23 Dec 2016, 18:56

@smceccarelli Ditto with the others: A warm & joyful congratulations!

QuietYell · 23 Dec 2016, 19:07

@Lee-White Thank you for this topic being addressed.

In addition to the many great interests others have noted above, it would be good to hear of the downsides to having an agent. I know @Will-Terry has some great thoughts about this, particularly in regards to contractual constraints & obligations. It would be good to get other issues to consider as well. Plus, a checklist of what to look out for and guidance on how to resolve these potential issues (hopefully before they become a contracted issue!).

I’m interested in thoughts on having multiple agents (e.g. one agent for publishing/gaming/etc. work and one agent for advertising/editorial/etc. work); whether that is possible, advisable, and what issues to prepare for.

I think that the key issues for me are:

When am I ready & when should I seek an agent (I copy/pasted some of your advice on this from a previous post below)
With so many agents, how do I best filter out which are best for me (and how do I even find the “right” agents when there are so many out there - It’s easy to know about Shannon Associates or Andrea Brown Lit, but there are many small-to-mid agencies that might not so readily visible) (Large agencies like Shannon Associates or Bright Agency builds confidence over their capabilities, industry relationships, professionalism, & “trustworthiness”; however, this also drives questions as to the attention they give to representing each artist specifically/intimately, so how do I determine whether a large agency or small agency/individual is best for me?)
What are the pros/cons, mutual expectations, contractual & other issues to consider & prepare for, etc. (one point to cover would be on contract dissolution should the illustrator seek to move on to another agent or not being represented at all - including any expectations of client engagement restrictions and continued payout to agents post-contract-dissolution)
What is the illustrator-agent-client engagement process (e.g. marketing, RFP & negotiations/end-client contracts, agent/illustrator Account Executive duties (account management), agent workflow involvement, billing, taxes, conflict resolution (including typical litigation/arbitration responsibilities & expectations), etc.)

Since I’m assuming that you will likely be recording this, I’d expect that you wouldn’t want to be so negative on or give too much endorsement of specific reps, but it would be nice to have some agents or resource lists identified with any commentary possible.

Just making note here, but in a previous post >>, @Lee-White, you mentioned to another person on here:

1. There is no reason to submit until you get the kinks worked out of your portfolio. To submit too early "just to see what happens" wastes the agents time and makes it seem like you don't know what they are looking for. Agents want people who are profitable out of the gate for them OR they see a huge potential with their work and are willing to get it to that next level. Those artists are typically at about 90% entry level and just need a few slight tweaks to be industry ready. Or, the work is already pro level and they just need to be introduced to the right people.

2. Submitting too early will give the art director an impression of you that may not be changeable as time moves on. (first impressions are strong!). You want that first impression to be "OMG! this artist is awesome!" Not "eh, it's ok, but they need polishing".

Hang in there and really figure out where you want your work to go. Sit with it and take time with it. It will develop naturally and you will know when you are ready. Signs that you are ready are things like:

• You are winning contests that you enter.
• you are getting scholarships for your work
• people are asking to buy your work
• you are being contacted for interviews or artist spotlights, etc.
• people are wanting to hire you
• experienced people (like me, will, jake, or your instructors) are telling you to get your work out there or introducing you to connections
If none of these things are happening, you probably aren't ready yet.

Thanks!

lmrush · 24 Dec 2016, 16:48

@smceccarelli Congratulations!

lmrush · 24 Dec 2016, 16:49

Maybe you could let us know "how you know when you are ready for an agent" Thanks @Lee-White

Mara · 24 Dec 2016, 17:47

@smceccarelli Congratulations!

Charlie Eve Ryan · 24 Dec 2016, 19:03

@smceccarelli Congrats!! I had an agent with a good reputation reach out to me on LinkedIn. I ended up signing with ABLA instead but it does happen. This is why it is good to have an online portfolio and to share your work online, you never know who is looking.

mattramsey · 25 Dec 2016, 22:39

@Lee-White said in Next 3rd Thursday: Agents:

Hey guys,

Our next third thusday will be on the topic of agents. What questions do you guys have regarding this topic? I'll try to include them in the webinar.

Thanks,
Lee

I recently listened to a topic about this and I was left with this question:
Would any agent be interested in reping a part-part time illustrator? Or would I just be wasting his/her time?

That is, I have a full time job plus 4 small kids. I could maybe do a couple small projects a year but there are certain really busy times when it wouldn't work out. Would it be at all feasible to have an agent constantly searching for work for me (showing my portfolio, etc) and I'd be turning down 80% of the work?
Should I just continue on my own until such a time where I do have more time to take on projects?

I bet I'm not the only one thinking about this issue but I've not yet been able to get a good answer on it.

smceccarelli · 26 Dec 2016, 08:42

@mattramsey I have a 50% job and 2 small kids and I have been completely transparent about this when talking with the agent that is now representing me. It did not seem to be a matter of concern at all - indeed it was not even a topic. At the end of the day it is a business relationship - the agent is doing a service for you and you are paying him/her. Since her pay depends on the amount of work you can get done, she needs to balance the amount of effort she invests vs the return she gets. I got the feeling that agents are more concerned with artists not performing on a project they agreed to (which affects their reputation as agents) rather than artists turning down projects.
Actually what is happening to me now is that my agent is advising against taking a project I have procured because the terms are not good enough. So she is actually suggesting I turn down a job, although she would get money from it and did only very limited work. I find this to be a very good start, actually!

Lee White · 28 Dec 2016, 18:27

@mattramsey that is an excellent question. I am hoping to have my agent there with us during the session, so I can ask about that.

If I were to answer it, I'd say it would be a tough sell to sign a part time illustrator. When an artist turns down work it can get frustrating for a client and if they are turning down 80% of the jobs offered, it could be a strained relationship. The x factor there is that if you are good enough, an agent will still probably sign you. It's based on two factors, the first obviously being money and how much an agent can make from you. But the other thing is reputation. If you work looks good on an agents site and bumps up their status, it can be a good thing. Then when a client comes for you and you can't do it, the agent should be able to redirect the client to someone else on their roster. This happened a lot at Shannon Associates which was my first agent.

Thanks for all your questions guys, keep em' coming! Also, if anyone is at the point of needing or wanting a rep (be serious here), please post a link to your website. I may have my agent critique some of the work from an agents perspective.

Rich Green · 28 Dec 2016, 18:43

@Lee-White - Hi Lee, I am hoping that my quality of work is at or getting close to the level of something that an agent might consider worthy of representing. I would love some feedback/critique from your agent if time allows. My site for your consideration is: www.RichGreenArt.com

QuietYell · 28 Dec 2016, 18:56

@Lee-White Wow! I'd love to have an agent's perspective on where I'm at now. I have received some professional advice and thus have some work I intend to do in the 1st Quarter (maybe 2nd too), but I would like to be shopping myself in 2017 sometime (probably less to Picture Book right now and more to Middle Grade / Young Adult as well as packaging & product imprints, marketing & editorial).

My site is at: http://www.QuietYell.com

Kelly Lane · 28 Dec 2016, 19:40

@Lee-White Thanks Lee, I'm not sure at what stage someone's portfolio is ready. I'm sure I need to add more to mine, but I would love a review from someone in the know. I am definitely going to be looking for representation in 2017. My web page link is https://kellylane.myportfolio.com

Kevin Longueil · 28 Dec 2016, 19:56

@Lee-White Cannot pass that up You gave me a really nice review of my portfolio site when i first put it up which i really appreciated! one thing you mentioned was
"That brings me to my crit of your overalll site. As an art director, I would like the work, but have no idea how I could use you. It's not really children's book, it's not really editorial, it's not portraiture, it's not concept art, etc. I couldn't really figure out how I would use you. And that can be a great way to think about it moving forward, (provided you want to do this for a living. If not, just do what makes you happy).

This obviously has stuck in my head - my hope would be to find out if there could be a home for my style of working - or if there is the possibility that there is a rep somewhere that might be interested in this type of work and if so how to go about finding them - i think i have maybe 12 or so more Wizard of Oz pieces to do so i will be working this way for a while yet - but afterwards, if there is no home for this type of work, i would like to focus on what would make my work a better fit for publishing - anyways ... definitely throwing my website into the ring for this kevinlongueil.com

QuietYell · 29 Dec 2016, 17:10

@Lee-White Another question about agents came to me:

How can we help the agent? (This is a more post-agent-illustrator-relationship question but may imply some things important to do/prepare beforehand)

What is it that an agent may need or want (or not want) in order to help them be “the best agent they can be.”

Obviously, there are things like “deliver when and what you say you are going to deliver to a client” and “don’t bad mouth clients”, “act professionally”, etc., and while it is good to get a response of such things, I am talking about how to help the agent in ways like:

• How many new, relevant pieces of work are beneficial to an agent per month/quarter/year? (I’m assuming that a “stagnant” portfolio is unhelpful and that “fresh new work” is helpful, regardless of whether it is contracted or personal work)

• How much self-marketing efforts are helpful? (I’ve heard, that some agents even contractually discourage self-marketing)

• What information and/or approach on the illustrator’s website, marketing material, & social media accounts would help/hinder an agent? (such as a more personal bio vs. strictly professional one, blog entries, client listings, personal-vs-exclusively-business social media posts, personal information (perspectives, interests, experiences, etc.), and so forth)

I’m sure there are many other areas where an agent can be helped or hindered (e.g. with proposals, contracts, availability & acceptance rates of projects, project postmortem documentation, thank you cards, etc.) and maybe others here could chime in on some thoughts.

It just seems to me that it is important to support the agent as best as possible (and definitely not hinder them) throughout the relationship and am interested in knowing how to aid in “supercharging” their efforts.

Thanks again!

lmrush · 29 Dec 2016, 19:05

@Lee-White You are amazing. I am no where near ready for an agent, but it is so wonderful of you to do this for your students

MirkaH · 30 Dec 2016, 05:32

I am really interested in this topic too. Hoping to search for an agent this new year, but don't know at what point my portfolio is good enough, so I'm not giving bad first impressions and wasting anyone's time. I think a lot of really relevant questions have been posted in this thread already.

QuietYell · 5 Jan 2017, 22:06

@Lee-White It might be nice if you all can address some of the thoughts brought up by Giuseppe Castellano in his new post according to your perspectives: http://www.gcastellano.com/arttips/do-i-need-an-agent

Dulcie · 5 Jan 2017, 23:25

It will be great to hear the SVS team's take on all these questions - so many good ones! It's tempting to put myself forward for critique but I think I need a bit more time for my art to evolve, before I'm serious about being represented, and I already have agent feedback to work through. But as @lmrush said, it's great that you are here to help us like this, and long-term I think an agent might be a very good thing, so I'll be interested to see what comes out of this topic.

@QuietYell Thanks for posting that link - really insightful!