@sophie-lawson There is a way to lay our where the spandrels should hit on the radius lines in perspective... it is a bit labor intensive and hard to explain... There is an entire chapter devoted to this in Framed Perspective Vol 1 (awesome book) - here is a video of someone flipping through the book... skip to one minute sixteen seconds where they skim through chapter 8 to get an idea of what is involved... Marcos Mateo-Mestre is as good as it gets for understanding perspective - here is a photo of one of the pages from chapter 8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6S4OYr37hk

Here is the link to the book too

https://www.amazon.com/Framed-Perspective-Vol-Technical-Storytelling/dp/1624650309/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=DBTXH9SX22Y6VBMP56K2

@judy-elizabeth-wilson So cool!! I just ordered it - My daughter and i are looking forward to coloring your book

@smceccarelli Yes! super excited - such an awesome program - i agree about a larger iPad... i was hoping something would happen in that direction with the new pro - still going to get a new one though

@smceccarelli The all-over print looks extra cool I think - can you do the same on a black tee with the values inverted? They are all really nice though!

@smceccarelli This is so great! Congratulations and good luck!!

@eli Thank you for your feedback Eli!

@chrisaakins Thank you for the feedback Chris!
@Jason-Bowen Thank you for the feedback Jason! Very much appreciated - i'm starting to a "normal" layer as we speak - it is improving i think...i will post the minor progress below - thanks again
@NessIllustration Thank you for the feedback Vanessa!

still working on it but the "normal" layer is helping for sure - thank you for your help everyone!

@nyrrylcadiz Thank you Nyrryl!

Thank you @Chip-Valecek - it is always good to hear your take on things!
@Art-of-B Thank you for the feedback - it is Very good to know this is part of your process - your work is really great!
@rcartwright Thank you for the the feedback! - i will check out the resources you mention - i recall Sycra has a great video about color value too.

@darian Thank you for the feedback and the question that made me think I have gotten out of the habit of checking my values with the cutout filter! But that was my main method Lee White mentioned it a long time ago and it seems pretty useful - i ran the image through the cutout filter with and without the color to see how it was reading - i will get back into this habit now that i am making an attempt at color

@smceccarelli Thank you for the feedback Simona! - it does look pale and chalky for sure - i think using this method as a first pass, as you say, will be the way to go. I think i will finish this piece and see where it ends up

I am wondering how this might read to folks - i am starting to work on color and thought i would try adding a color layer to my grayscale drawing and see how it might pan out. A while back i tried adding a color layer to my black and white drawings and it did not work at all... i understand now how obvious that should have been. That was what made me decide to start using grays instead of black and white for my Oz project so that in the end i might be a little closer to having some success with a color layer - so here is my first go at it - this is the unfinished redo of my Gatekeeper drawing - i know it is not a finished piece but i am wondering if the color layer on grayscale ( with a bit of brushwork on top here and there) might work as a finished product for an illustration....or does it look too " color layer on top of grayscale'ish" ?- any feedback is much appreciated!!