Got the Kamvas 22 Plus Last Week



  • Hey all, I wound up getting a Kamvas 22 Plus and it showed up last week! I've had a chance to spend about 15 to 20 hours drawing on it so I thought it might be helpful in case someone else was also eyeing it or trying to decide on an upgrade down the road. It's this one here.

    I'm coming from using an XP-Pen Pro 15.6" 2018 model. My main complaints with it had to do with the distance the pen tip was to the screen, and coming from using the iPad it was so much less responsive comparatively. All in all it's not a bad product, but it got frustrating at times. Oddly, the XP-Pen is definitely more responsive on Windows than Mac, which I'm assuming is a driver thing.

    What I was agonizing over what whether or not to upgrade to an off brand again, or bite the bullet and upgrade to a Wacom. The biggest problem I had was that it seemed like no matter what I was in for a huge amount of money going for a Wacom, and then there these weird trade offs - like spending $2k on a 24" Pro and it doesn't even come with a stand except for the foldable feet. I mean, WTF is that?? The Wacom 22 comes with a bloody stand at $1200 brand new.

    And going from a 16" XP-Pen to a 16" Wacom seemed kind of like a waste.

    I also was agonizing over going with an iPad Pro, but at the end of the day I'm using the $329 iPad right now and it works fine for Procreate, so going for the Pro for almost 2x as much as the Huion or XP-Pen Pro 24" or 22" models, I think I in the end thought if my current iPad becomes obsolete I think I'd rather have a much larger stationary drawing experience and then just buy a new baseline model.

    So here are some thoughts:

    • First off... WOW the drawing experience from the off brands has improved a ridiculous amount in the last 2 years. The Kamvas 22 feels insanely responsive compared to the 2018 XP-Pen. I can say confidently it feels pretty darn close to the iPad. Personally I've never used a newer Wacom, so I imagine it's better, but this is pretty darn good.
    • The distance from pen tip to where it draws is pretty much non-existent. I opted for the "Plus" model that had the laminated screen for that reason, and it definitely delivers.
    • The footprint of this tablet is immense. I mean, you really have to consider your space. I have a 27" iMac at my office, and it's pretty close to the same footprint on the desk. So it's basically like having 2 27" iMacs side-by-side in terms of real estate.
    • I was a bit worried about the lack of express keys, but so far despite the size I'm not having an problems reaching my keyboard. I can attribute that to having such a flexible stand. It's a lot easier to get this to a comfortable drawing position and still reach my keys. I still think I'd rather get a small programmable bluetooth keyboard setup so there are definitely options there.
    • Another concern was the resolution. It's a 22" but it's running at 1920x1080. The Wacom 22 was the same resolution, so was the used Cintiq I was considering as well, so I think in the end that was a luxury more than a need.

    One thing I'll mention - depending on your desk real estate, a 16" tablet might be a better choice for most people. I can say that I didn't have much to complain about with my 15.6" XP-Pen in terms of size. Sometimes I wished I had more real estate, and after using the 22 I can definitely say it's a luxury. But the fact that the new Huion was 22", had a laminated screen with better contrast ratio and also came with a fantastic adjustable stand for $550 just seemed like the best value overall. I feel like I'd be perfectly happy on a 16" screen for the long haul.

    I think if I could do it all over again, before I got my XP-Pen, I might have invested in the 16" Wacom Cintiq and bought a really nice adjustable stand or arm for it. I'd watch the Wacom refurb store until it came up for sale for about $550.

    If you have any questions feel free to ask away.


  • SVS OG

    @jdubz yeah, wacom stands are hella expensive but there are cheap alternatives. For example I spend $0 by using towels to prop my cintiq up. It does the trick at zero cost. πŸ˜… i personally think you don’t need to buy those expensive stands.



  • @jdubz Glad you're on board the Kamvas train! I have never made the plunge with a Wacom (I'm relatively new to digital illustration), but love my Huion products.

    I started with the little $50 graphics tablet (no screen) and loved it. Then, this past spring I moved up to the Kamvas 13 and am so impressed! I have very little space (New York apartment, ha!), so I needed something that I could tuck away every day and the 13" with the amazing - and included - stand is perfect. I always thought it was odd that Wacoms don't come with a stand for that price too!

    Question about your set up. Do you have trouble getting your Kamvas to connect to your iMac? I connect mine to a Macbook Pro and sometimes have to unplug and plug it back in to get the Macbook to recognize it. I've tried using the multi-plug cord that comes with the Kamvas, as well as a USB 3.1 Gen 2, but they both do it. I'm trying to figure out if it's a driver problem, or a Huion-to-Mac problem.

    Either way, hope you like it as much as I do! I even bought the Huion LED Light Pad for sketching/tracing. Super sleek and only 0.25" thick.

    Josh



  • wow, thanks for the review! I am thinking to get myself Kamvas 22 plus as well. I heard from some fellow artists that with a display tablet, it's so quickly heated and burn your hand. Does it happen to Kamvas 22 plus? and how are the colors?



  • I got a desk arm mount for my kamvas so I can tuck it up out of the way when I'm not drawing, I highly recommend getting a good arm mount for people who want the 22" but don't have the largest desk. They should be compatible with all the same ones as Wacom cintiques are so look up reviews - there are plenty!



  • thanks for the update. the resolution thing is not annoying to you?
    I own the kamvas 15.6 or something.

    from what inch does it starts to get to 3000..5000?



  • @Nyrryl-Cadiz As far as I know, Wacom uses a stamdard VESA mount. So if you wanted the Wacom stand, you could literally buy the XP-Pen or Huion stand on it's own and to me it looks exactly the same πŸ˜›



  • @JoshuaDages said in Got the Kamvas 22 Plus Last Week:

    Question about your set up. Do you have trouble getting your Kamvas to connect to your iMac? I connect mine to a Macbook Pro and sometimes have to unplug and plug it back in to get the Macbook to recognize it. I've tried using the multi-plug cord that comes with the Kamvas, as well as a USB 3.1 Gen 2, but they both do it. I'm trying to figure out if it's a driver problem, or a Huion-to-Mac problem.

    Hmmm good question - I'm using a 2014 27" iMac at the moment, and it connected without a hitch and I haven't had any issues. It was WAY less cumbersome to set up than my XP-Pen was (those drivers to me were way more finicky where I had to install different versions to get it to work right).

    @lenwen

    wow, thanks for the review! I am thinking to get myself Kamvas 22 plus as well. I heard from some fellow artists that with a display tablet, it's so quickly heated and burn your hand. Does it happen to Kamvas 22 plus? and how are the colors?

    I'm detecting no heat at all, like anywhere. I use it as my second monitor when I'm not drawing on it and it's not even warm to the touch on the surface.

    I spent some time fiddling with the colors and I don't have any equipment or anything to measure it but the tests im doing comparing it to my iMac and iPad screens are really darn close. I wish I could say definitively if it was better than the 22 standard, but I'm assuming the extra 40% you get from the Plus model is better??

    @StudioLooong

    I got a desk arm mount for my kamvas so I can tuck it up out of the way when I'm not drawing, I highly recommend getting a good arm mount for people who want the 22" but don't have the largest desk.

    I'm also considering one of those but haven't pulled the trigger. I saw Costco has a great one for less than $50 if you wanted to actually go look at it in person and verify it's sturdy.


  • SVS Instructor Pro

    @jdubz Great to read reviews like this. Thanks for sharing. And that is a great price! Please keep us posted on successes and frustrations.



  • @arielg said in Got the Kamvas 22 Plus Last Week:

    thanks for the update. the resolution thing is not annoying to you?
    I own the kamvas 15.6 or something.

    from what inch does it starts to get to 3000..5000?

    So far no. Admittedly I've never used a 4k screen, so that might be because more that I haven't seen what I'm missing out on. So that might really depend on who you ask. I know people who think iPads are unacceptable resolutions, so I think there's a lot of preference there.

    On your second question - I'm not sure I understand how to measure that πŸ™‚



  • @jdubz Ive seen a 900$ huion 24 inch with 2.5K resolution. so i'm guessing it has to be much bigger for 4K definition.

    but its not that, the thing with these tablets is that when you do careful color fills you need to get to pixel size to get it right. which sounds to me kinda clumsy with today's technology?



  • @arielg Yeah quite a bit bigger to get that full definition - the newer Wacom's are full 4k in the Pro line. And yeah I did see what they're calling a "QHD" size, which I think is like 2550x1440 on the 24" Huions and XP-Pen pro models.

    I kinda figured if pretty much every Wacom Cintiq until the last couple years was working just fine on a 1920x1080 resolution, it ought to be fine πŸ˜›



  • @jdubz im sure its fine yes. in regular size you wont see pixelated so that's most important.
    probably having fun there i bet, with that kind of size.

    I mean do you feel a difference in freedom over the page/canvas ? I'm guessing yes?



  • @jdubz thanks so much for answering my questions! sounds like Kamvas 22 Plus great so far! keep us posted πŸ˜ƒ



  • @Nyrryl-Cadiz what about something more reasonable like this for a stand?

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    or this

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    top one might be a bit small but the other one is 40 quid (A2 size).



  • @sigross I tried a couple of these, even one of those adjustable laptop stands and they just kept falling short. Like the wooden one shown here - the lip isn't substantial enough and would need to be modified to hold the tablet. And you'd want to then put some kind of grip material on the surface so it didn't slide around.

    I think I actually spent more money trying to adapt cheaper stands than just buying the real deal hah.

    But like this one here from Huion from what I tell will go into any vesa mount configuration and it's $50. So far that seems to me to be the most reasonable one that is the most adjustable. I bet some of the other knockoff manufacturers also sell similar stands separately, but I can say this one is very solid.


  • SVS OG

    @sigross hi! I haven’t tried any of these but they look sturdy enough. You should give them a try and let us know your experience. As for me, I’m such a cheapskate so I’ll stick with my $0 towels for now. Nothing beats free stuff. πŸ˜…πŸ˜…πŸ˜…



  • @Nyrryl-Cadiz And towels are multi-purpose too! tbh for my iPad I have a mini-bean bag just to angle it a bit. I could probably use that on a bigger drawing pad too (or get 2 bean bags). It's got 2 perfect settings.

    beanbag.jpg


  • SVS OG

    @sigross very hi-tech πŸ˜… Both of us are so fancy πŸ˜‚



  • You guys are out of control lol


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