Question on: How to get your First 10K Followers.

[PamM]

@smceccarelli - Thank you for sharing all this great info! I appreciate it. So many things to think about with social media and it can be hard sometimes to find a balance between making the work and promoting it. I am doing nothing with my Twitter account so I should probably invest a bit of time there too.

[TessaW]

@smceccarelli That is great insight and advice, but I'm curious about your thoughts toward the question at hand: "Is it important to keep the amount of people you follow, lower than the amount that follows you, in order to look like a person worth following, and therefore helping you to gain more followers?" It sounds like @PamM is purposely trying to keep the amount of people she follows lower than her follower amount, instead of just following who she wants. I'm curious what your thoughts are on that, because you give really good advice. How do you decide on who to follow? Would you purposely not follow people you want to, in order to keep your following amount lower?

[smceccarelli]

@tessw I do not have strong opinions either way. I don´t think the number of followers you have vs the number of people you follow has much impact on attracting new followers. If a channels is great and I like the content, I do not care if this person is following more people than he/she has followers - do you?
I would not not-follow people I am interested in just to play a number game.
That said, spending time and attention on the people you follow is quite important - interacting and looking at least at some of their content. Can you do that with 20K people?
I do spend some time looking at new people to follow, as well as weeding out (unfollow) accounts. I hunt for keywords that indicate children writers and illustrators, editors, art directors, book lovers, etc...For a while I followed librarians and teachers and learned tons of stuff from them. I weed out accounts that are not posting regularly, accounts that post too many private photos and/or unrelated content, anything that gets too political and any account that tries to sell me stuff (I am afraid self-publishing authors are often doing that). I consider social media halfway between learning and marketing, so I try to keep those two aspects in balance.

[NoWayMe]

Great discussion!

@TessW "That being said, here is a way in which I think it's detrimental to have less followers than people you follow- when you are an artist following thousands of people and your content is relatively not that great. To me that feels like the person is solely interested in gaining followers." - Agreed 100%

I also agree with @smceccarelli about the "hit makers" theory. I was also lucky enough to be featured by Children Writers Guild and see my follower increase by 300 in 1 night (while I had worked hard for 1 year doing all the tips Jake Parker suggested to gain 1000). Since then, I have focused more on sharing quality, finished illustrations vs WIP/sketches. I still share these, but I know they won't bring me a lot of followers.

I have also noticed something else. If you post a "successful" image, with the right #, and you have a lot of engagement in a short period of time, you get in the "top 9" slots that are shown when you research a #. This can also get you a lot of new followers. It's a little hard to explain, so maybe someone who knows the logistics of IG better then me can explain it, but I would say 95% the the stuff I post on IG I have around 150 likes maybe 2 - 3 new followers and then things slows down. On 4 occasions so far (always with finish illustrations) I had a lot of engagement in a short period and then it's like a snow balls. For about 48 - 72 hours after that I get a lot of likes and new followers (around 150 each time). This is without being reposted by anyone.

I have tried many techniques to see if I could get more followers, and the only one that seems to work (other than when you get lucky with a specific illustration as above) is to interact with others. Just liking is not enough, you have to comment on other people's work regularly!

That's my 2 cents on IG.

Now, Twitter is a different story. I just don't understand how I should use my Twitter account. If anyone has tips on that I would love to hear them... (@smceccarelli maybe ?

[evilrobot]

Great insight here. Just as someone who loves following other artists on Twitter and other social media....I unfollow anyone who starts getting political I don't care what side you're on. I'm following you because I love your artwork or you are an expert in the publishing world and I want to learn from you.....you should save that stuff for your private accounts. For me I've found it to be a problem lately I've unfollowed at least 1000 accounts.

[PamM]

Tannie Smith, in her new class "Branding for Creatives", had a great analogy about social media. Excuse my summary. It is much better stated in the video...

She said IG was like a Wall where your followers go to look at the work, Twitter was more like a Window where people look at the work but also want to see a bit of you as a person, and Facebook was a Loveseat where you mix the work and personal.

[Eric Castleman]

@evilrobot I am with you on the political stuff.

As for the follower vs following: I cannot stand people that follow me only to drop me after a day or so in hopes to have fished me as a follower. My rule is that I only follow people back if I like their art or know them. I have an app that notifies me when someone has unfollowed, and aobut 75% of followers I get end up dropping me a day later.

I also believe that people who follow me are valuable to my art, and their comments on what I am working on hold value, and also helping them out in the same way builds good relationships with a group of up and coming artists that will pay off in the end for all of us. I try to private message everyone that follows me, and let them know I am glad they decided to follow me.

I don't know how much I buy into the idea that our social media presence has a huge impact on getting rep'd. I'm sure it is like having another thing working for you, but at the end of the day, you are either good or you are not. The people that got an agent or book deal that I know have virtually 0% social media presence. My friend just got two book deals with Harper Collins in YA and nobody on social media even knows she writes. My other friend just got a big book deal and rep at the summer conference, and as I was talking to him this last weekend at the SCBWI sponsored illustration show, he has very little interest in social media and growing his audience. I'm sure there is a value in it, but it takes a back seat in my mind to actually being good, and making sure that your craft is getting better and better.

[smceccarelli]

@nowayme Great point - yes, the use of hashtags is almost a science. You want hashtags that are relevant and yet not overused (or you will never make those precious 9 spots!). I tend to err on the side of excess and try to use all hashtags I can think of for an image. There are some that people recommended to me that I never use, like "Illustrationbest" or "Illustrationoftheday" - I feel like a cheater using those. Do you have any experience with these ones?
As for Twitter, I use it much the same way as Instagram - just with less text available. I normally mirror every post to all my channels (apart from Behance, which is a different beast altogether). With Twitter I retweet more and interact more (in terms of entering cnversations) and have met some pretty cool people that way. I also use Twitter for random text-only posts about books or inpiration or work habits - whenever I feel like sharing something non-image-based.

[NoWayMe]

@smceccarelli I do use #illustration_best, #best_of_illustrations and other similar # because they are "linked" to a potential "hit maker" (in their profile it says use XYZ # to be featured) although I do feel like a cheat when I use them haha! (I definitely do not think I am a "best of" anything right now)

Thanks for the Twitter explanation - I just started following you and seeing how you use it clarifies things a lot. I am still not sure I understand how people finds others on twitter since you usually aren't supposed to use as many # on twitter vs IG...

[DOTTYP]

As a very recent Inatagram user I found myself baffled by why people kept unfollowing me ,I felt I had done something personally wrong or the art was so bad I had chased them away (this still might be the case) I am glad to read all your comments and now realise they want me to follow them and then drop me when I do follow them back it all makes sense now.This social media is a complicated business

[tombarrettillo]

I only have 201 followers at this moment, after a little over a year on IG, and I average between 35 - 49 likes per post, whether a WIP or "finished" illustration. I will reiterate what others have said that it boils down to content that is good and relevant to those who follow you. For the majority, that is why they followed you. I don't think I would have as many followers if it was a numbers game. My followers vs people I follow gap was wide when I started, and pretty much still is. If I like a person's art, but their non-art posts out-weigh the art posts, I won't follow them, even if they have followed me. I can barely, if ever, get thru the 375+ people I follow, so I want to know that the majority of posts I see are art-related, and I think most other artists feel the same. Hope that helps!

[PamM]

@tombarrettillo - Yes. Thanks:)

[PamM]

@eric-castleman - What app are you using to see who unfollows? Thanks:)

[Eric Castleman]

@pamm I use an app called "follow free" on the ios store.

[PamM]

@eric-castleman - Thanks! I'll check it out. The fake follow stuff happens to me a lot too:)

[jasonandroosmith]

I've honestly never thought about that part of it. Who I follow is purely based on what I want to see in my feed. More and more I pay more attention to the interaction in an artists posts. Do they respond? Is it a real response, or a quick, short response? Take @Jake-Parker for example. I couldn't tell you how many followers he has but I can tell you he has 70 or so comments in around an hour or so, and the guy is really good about responding, and responding genuinely

[evilrobot]

Anyone know of a good tool/ app for managing twitter. My account is pretty old and I'd like to narrow down a lot of people I'm following but going through two thousand accounts is a bit much. I'd like to narrow it down to only artists, reps, publishers, and people who follow me.

[cmetznerdotcom]

So much insight! I'd have to agree with the general consensus of never really thinking about it when I find a cool artist I like on instagram. It's more about the content. For my page I end up trying to only follow people who inspire me so my feed can just be a stream of creativity. I've been posting up to 8-9 months and just steadily posting everyday for that long has gotten me a decent amount without needed to really follow anyone back JUST for the follow.

[cmetznerdotcom]

@smceccarelli What kind of conversations do you jump into? Ive been trying to grow on twitter and I'm finding it kinda hard. I'll try to find conversations to jump into but most of it is just people complementing the art posted. Is there a specific way you find engaging conversations?

[smceccarelli]

@cmetznerdotcom Sometimes I will ask an artist about his/her technique or process (or answer questions to that effect). Conversations about books are also easy to start and jump into. Positive comments on somebody´s work are good, but then they should be something more than "great!". You can mentione another artist you compare the work to, or mention why or what you particularly like the work. There are all good ways to start meaningful conversations, and I am sure there are many more!