Getting an Agent was bad for me.

[MarcRobinson]

@willicreate Thank you for the link, I'm gonna check it out. It's funny you should mention social media because last year I really pushed my Instagram everyday, and one post went kind of viral. I jumped up from 800 followers to about 16K in a few weeks, but it was SO shallow. No real engagement and I'm sure half the people were bots!

I do like my alligator illustration and it is more in the vein of what I mean by weird. But I guess I really just mean stuff that doesn't easily fit into the mainstream. The comics I've done in the past have always had dark humour and adult themes.

[menalkhan]

I'm sorry you're going through this, Marc. I recently submitted my illustration portfolio to [redacted] Agency and actually received the opposite feedback. They told me that my style was too vague and to reach out again once I revised. I had heard some poor reviews from others so I decided not to pursue further.

Trust your instincts & lean into the work that genuinely excites you. There are so many ways to be a "real illustrator." The most important thing is finding the path that makes you feel fulfilled.
Wishing you all the best in rediscovering your artistic journey!

[tombarrettillo]

@MarcRobinson I think a lot of artists have a limited view of what is actually possible these days. There is no use boxing yourself in to a niche that you have no heart for. You won't produce quality work. If your comics did great, lean into that for a year and see what happens. And you are already a real illustrator, simply by the fact that you create illustrations. You're also a comics artist.

While commercial publishing I know has its merits as the guys have mentioned, the world of self publishing is so full of opportunities. I don't say that from experience, but as a hopeful illustrator working on his first ever book that I am super excited about and believe there is an audience for. And I have many other ideas I believe will do well.

It is going to take a lot of work, but if your heart is in it, you won't even notice.

[Michael Angelo Go]

@MarcRobinson

Hey Marc, I have been having this question about myself as well. Do I really want to be an illustrator for silly children's books? Or do I want to draw art for stories that actual resonate with me?

Like YA Novels, superheroes, comics, etc.

I think you're experiencing an issue that I never got the chance to address years ago when I first came here to the forums at SVS (since I finally got a day job).

We're trying to break into a market that is probably already oversaturated and dominated by well-known and well-established artists, that has also been shrinking down with the economy, not to mention clients being taken away from AI.

I know someone who has been contracted with an agent for 1.5 years and they still haven't gotten clients. Perhaps children's books aren't hot right now, or maybe the agent isn't very competent.

Either way, I would recommend drawing for yourself and try to create or invest in projects that resonate with you, before trying to market yourself.

[Jason Crowley]

Thanks for sharing. You know what's funny? I had noticed that you and a lot of other really talented people were agented but not getting work and it made me realise that if you folks aren't getting bites then there's no hope for me!

Like you, I realised that I wanted to do darker, more edgy work, that targets an older audience; the stories and ideas I've been having are much better suited to screenplays than a 32 page picture book.

Another few factors that contributed:

• My local SCBWI chapter all complained about being on minimum wage as picture book illustrators after being in the industry for many years, they also had to get second jobs to make up the difference
• I attended the SCBWI conference and instead of inspiring me it weirdly put me off the industry

I really think your work would be suited to indie video games, your art style puts me in mind of Monster Boy, I really loved that visual style when I played it. Ever thought about making games? It's an industry that's much easier to reach your target demographic and run focus groups and testing (people will test you game for free!). Picture books, in contrast, don't allow you to reach (or test) the actual demographic to prove that a story or style is good (except for friends and family's kids for self-publishing), instead various gatekeepers dictate what makes it through, and what is deemed 'appropriate' or 'on trend.'

[Larue]

All I can say is that everything you've ever posted on SVS has been awesome and inspiring for me. I find it so hard to believe that artists of your caliber aren't getting work.
I've taken on few projects that I really wasn't "in to" emotionally and in the end didn't like the end product, it's only those project/pieces that interested me that I was proud of. I know we all have dreams of actually making a living on our art but I'm afraid it's like wanting to be a successful actor, few and far between. But...we can find fulfillment in creating what brings us joy!

[MarcRobinson]

@menalkhan thank you. It's crazy to me because your work is absolutely beautiful and I'm glad you decided to try elsewhere.
I appreciate the support so much thank you.

[MarcRobinson]

@tombarrettillo cheers mate and yeah I think it's time for me to lean into the stuff I really enjoy. I've been trying too hard for too long to fit in. I've not completely written off children's book work, but I think it will have to be my own stories. A change of agent too.

[MarcRobinson]

@Michael-Angelo-Go definitely lean into the stuff that inspires you mate. It's hard trying to force it, and it'll probably show in the work. I still think there are really good opportunities in the kidlit industry if you've got the right idea and style to get picked up, but you're right that it's not the only way to go anymore.

[MarcRobinson]

@Larue that's really nice of you to say Larue, thank you. I suspect that the agent isn't sure where to put me, and that's down to the images I've sent them I think. And THAT is due to my heart not being in it. I'm sure they have artists on their roster who can just make stuff like a production line, but that's not me. I don't have much time to draw, with 3 kids, so I need to make my own stuff. For me.

[Lynniesketches]

@MarcRobinson I had a similar experience with a large and well-established agency (which has been mentioned a few times on the SVS podcast). Over a year of representation, I got like one children's magazine project from them, and I also feel like I have gotten lost in their huge roster of highly talented artists. This seems like a common pattern for big agencies.

I decided to part ways with my agency last month and am now navigating my own path. I've come to realize that I've spent a lot of time creating work to fit the market, rather than making art that truly resonates with me. Ironically, this approach didn't yield the results I hoped for. So, I've been asking myself, why continue trying to fit in when I can focus on creating for my own joy? A part of me remains passionate about illustrating for children's books, while another part of me yearns to focus on embracing illustration as just a fulfilling hobby, free from the pressure to generate income.

I think your work is absolutely incredible and it's such a bummer that you haven't gotten any project yet through your agency. I believe there's a market for diverse art styles; it's just a matter of finding the perfect match. I'm not in a position to offer advice because I'm also struggling and have yet to find an answer, but I'm here rooting for you. Keep creating, pushing forward, and sharing your progress!

[MarcRobinson]

@Jason-Crowley it's kind of you to say mate but I wouldn't say there is no hope for you! Our styles are different and there will be opportunities for you, it's just a case of when. It's funny you should mention concept art for games because that's kind of where I've come from. Well, sort of. I did game art at university, then had a spate of freelance concept gigs. But I think I've realised I don't like making other people's stuff! Ha. It's going to have to be my own stories. Have you ever considered doing a short story/novel that is illustrated? Might fit your story idea better than a picture book?

[Jason Crowley]

@MarcRobinson Like a chapter book? I hadn't considered that, but drawing in black and white appeals because I struggle with colour. Apparently, according to SCBWI, chapter books aren't doing well, I guess because kids are more into their phones than reading. I've been thinking of learning to write screenplays and submit the ideas for film/tv, which skips over the illustration part completely...

That's funny about you starting out in game art, I hear you about just wanting to do your own thing. I have a lot of game ideas but I don't have time to learn C# to build them.

Good luck with your next agent and comic!

[Nyrryl Cadiz]

@MarcRobinson hi Marc! I’m so sorry to hear that. Lemonade is similar to my previous agency Advocate. It’s absolutely their fault you’re not getting any jobs. They take on too many artists and they can’t find jobs for all of them much less give them the proper time and attention. And you’re saying they didn’t even give you helpful art direction. Given how they mentioned they took you on because of your multiple styles makes me think they were hoping to have you on so that you can stand in for any projects their top illustrators might pass over. I hate agencies like them. Looking at your work, I think you would’ve done well with book covers for older kids and you might’ve made it too had they put in the leg work.

I hope things get better for you. If working on your own stuff gives you the satisfaction you need, then definitely focus on that. We’re excited to see what you make. Anyway, all the best!

[Tom Harshberger]

Marc, I really admire your artwork and how hard you've worked to level up through all the SVS challenges. You churn out stuff and it's always so good! I always look forward to seeing your pieces when they come out.

It sounds like the comic-con route is still a great option for you. In fact, you should come to the Belfast one next year, I'll buy a book and a pin!

[MarcRobinson]

@Nyrryl-Cadiz thank you so much for the kind words and encouragement. Sorry to hear you had a similar experience with the other agency. Book covers are something I'm very open to, but I've always wondered what sort of agent I'd need. A literary agent or just an illustration agency? I need to change my agency either way I guess.

[MarcRobinson]

@Tom-Harshberger ha thanks mate I appreciate it! It's been a while since I've tabled at a convention but if I get up near Belfast I'll make sure to let you know! The last couple I went to were Thought Bubble in Leeds and the Lakes festival just before covid. Once I get a book finished I'll re-apply.

[Nyrryl Cadiz]

@MarcRobinson both could do the job but you need to read their profile and see if they specialize in picture books, or middlegrade and chapter books. Go for the one who does middlegrade and chapter books.

[MarcRobinson]

@Nyrryl-Cadiz you're a star, thank you.

[MarcRobinson]

@Lynniesketches hey thank you for sharing. It's easy to fall into trying to create stuff to fit in, but I think it often shows in the work, even on a subconscious level. I ALWAYS create better illustrations when I make it on my own terms. I think this self publish pro course looks amazing and one day I might be able to save for it. Until then I'm going to try and go my own way. I'm sorry to hear you had a similar experience with your agency, and you're right that it appears to be more common than a lot of people assume. I'm hoping if I create a newer portfolio with stuff that I love to do in it, then the right agent for me will pick it up. Maybe that approach would work for you too.