17 Sept 2022, 05:10
@Aaron-Cutright I agree with Lee. Copyright infringement is based on a variety of factors. A similarity between compositions wouldn't be enough to make an infringement claim.
Will AI Art Kill Artist's Careers?
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@Aaron-Cutright I agree with Lee. Copyright infringement is based on a variety of factors. A similarity between compositions wouldn't be enough to make an infringement claim.
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An interesting article about artists Greg Rutkowski, Karla Ortiz and others who feel directly affected by the rise in AI art.
Rutkowski was initially surprised but thought it might be a good way to reach new audiences. Then he tried searching for his name to see if a piece he had worked on had been published. The online search brought back work that had his name attached to it but wasn’t his.
“It’s been just a month. What about in a year? I probably won’t be able to find my work out there because [the internet] will be flooded with AI art,” Rutkowski says. “That’s concerning.”
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@Jake-Parker Great podcast, per usual. I'm not happy with AI acting like an artist. It terrifies me. I was playing with Midjourney this evening and created interesting artwork in 15 minutes. AI will improve beyond our wildest dreams (at the moment, it's a little wonky) and art directors will use it to save themselves time and money galore! I could see it being very useful in the ad agency realm. The future art director using AI prompts, will have many illustration comps, fully rendered in various styles, ready for client review within a few hours. Using a traditional artist would take weeks. The time saving factor is mind blowing!
Samples I created with Midjourney. (15 minutes of rendering time.)
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I’m looking forward to listening to this episode.
I dabbled in midjourney free trial to check it out and thought some of the output was pretty interesting.
I can see AI being helpful for ideas and mood boards, but disagree that it will make artists obsolete.
Prompt: Wizard uses mirror magic to spin world in mid century castle.
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I see AI art programs like Midjourney as a cool toy, I loved dabbling with it. It doesn't do much for me other than being a very cool piece of tech. Here are two pieces I made today in Midjourney while listening to the episode
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@danielerossi said in Will AI Art Kill Artist's Careers?:
Someone or something (an AI tool) creates something that is so convincing that people think it’s official merchandise. “Create this Disney-like character doing this specific pose”. That kind of thing.
Before that even happens we'll already see Disney's army of lawyers strong-arming the copyright laws to cover themselves — the way they always do. Thing is, what's left to the rest of artists who barely get by and can't afford to have an army of lawyers defending them or their creations at every step...
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@davidhohn I just read this article this morning. It's taken me down some interesting thought avenues today. I know that you can't really copywriter a style, and that makes since for art that is produced solely by humans. Artists copy and learn from each other all the time, but when we do, the vast majority of us make changes and tweaks to fit our own personal taste. I don't think that anyone has become really famous or successful, simply by copying the exact style of another artist. And so, you could say that no human artist exactly copies another's style, because we all have unique tastes and abilities.
But if I understand this correctly, AI art can copy exactly the style of a famous artist, to the point where it harms that artist. Does anyone think that this is a valid concern? Or will the factors mentioned above, such as not being able to copywriter (for now) the AI art, needing the perspective of a human artist, etc, serve to protect artists?
It is disturbing to think that an artist, who has spent years honing their craft and mastering their style, can essentially have that style "stolen" by an AI generator. Someone with access to AI can, in a matter of minutes or hours, produce all the images they like in the style of an accomplished artist. And the original creator of that art style would have no say or ownership over what happens with those images. It feels almost like the computer (or whoever is inputing the prompts) is preying on human creativity. Artists create and think and imagine, and then the computer simply steals all these ideas and regurgitates them in a way that looks truly amazing! You can't have great AI art without great human artists to create the original images.
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That’s what I was getting at earlier. AI getting so well at what it does that we won’t know the original artist from the AI. Oh well, the genie is out of the bottle.
@davidhohn said in Will AI Art Kill Artist's Careers?:
An interesting article about artists Greg Rutkowski, Karla Ortiz and others who feel directly affected by the rise in AI art.
Rutkowski was initially surprised but thought it might be a good way to reach new audiences. Then he tried searching for his name to see if a piece he had worked on had been published. The online search brought back work that had his name attached to it but wasn’t his.
“It’s been just a month. What about in a year? I probably won’t be able to find my work out there because [the internet] will be flooded with AI art,” Rutkowski says. “That’s concerning.”
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Allright, so I finally was able to hear this podcast in its entirety. Easily one of the best opinion pieces about this highly polemic subject I've come across.
Maybe what this whole AI thing makes you think is: What kind of artist are you? Since I can only speak on my behalf, I like to think I am someone beyond being a one-trick pony; meaning illustration of the kind that pops up on AI engines isn't my only jam (in fact, there are many styles showing up on AI art that I couldn't possibly master in my lifetime)... I also have a knack for writing, character design, and even front end web development (but I already did that for twenty years, I'd rather do something else now). Adaptation and diversity in skills are the key words here. With AI, one-trick ponies won't be able to stick around for long.
I like the concept of AI as an aide to jumpstart or accelerate work processes. For instance, I have been recently using Sudowrite and OpenAI to brainstorm world building, characters and plots for a graphic novel of mine in the works. These things won't (and can't) automagically write me a bestseller on their own — it's still up to the author to pick, polish and curate whatever output AI brings to the table. In fact, about 95% of the text these tools have generated for me is rubbish — but there's a 5% that has served me to think about plot twists and turns I hadn't previously considered.
Still, the "AI is taking our jobs" feeling doesn't completely go away. Specially when your immediate environment is filled with cheapskate clients who are likely drooling at the fact that they now can get custom gallery-worthy artwork for pennies on the dollar, so why pay you for it instead. But the same maxim applies, before and after AI: Often, these are the kind of clients you'd rather not have - the very low hanging fruit kind. Taking hold of your diverse traits and aiming high at different market avenues sounds more like it.
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And the plot thickens
Getty Images bans AI-generated content over fears of legal challengesThey are also banning AI generated illustrations.
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@danielerossi well, it affects their bottom line
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Loved this episode and I have noticed this conversation in other illustration circles, and so I always reflect back to what true inspiration is, as it cannot be faked or "manufactured"... There will always be a new contraption or a new invention and there will always be this kind of thinking as a response (remember the first computers and the reactions that came about? LOL)
That said I know that because we are creative beings and we'll always be hungry to discover the latest and greatest technology, however AI can't come close to the organic process of achieving a physical visual from thoughts and ideas. There will be those in the market looking for a cheap rendition through a few words entered into a search field, yet a trained artistic eye can see the natural strokes of a pencil in an original piece, thus appreciating it, therefore those are the ones who will value real art created by a human... In my mind, those are the kinds of people I want looking at my work and paying for me to illustrate for them.
So no worries for our future as artists... Let the universe continue to expand in all ways, fake art, NFTs, digital artists and traditional
Just my two cents.. - 6 months later
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@Jake-Parker I made an e-book about this topic. hopefully, my book can provide some insights on this topic!
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