28 Jan 2022, 23:47
@braydin-hawlette never mind my last post! I didn’t read it thoroughly enough! It’s great!
I did a graphic novel sample chapter! I'd love to know what you think :D
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@braydin-hawlette AMAZING! and your website AMAZING!
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@braydin-hawlette I read the whole chapter. It looks so good! How long did it take to make it (after doing the pre-production stuff like storyboarding/character design)? Also how did you decide on the size and dpi of the canvas for each page when drawing them vs uploading?
Love the dialogue and thought bubbles for giving context more naturally rather than forced exposition. And the hook at the end was very good. I am so curious what the story is gonna be about in the next chapter, and the whole novel.
I did catch a couple minor mistakes on the first page. One had to do with an inconsistency in character placement between two middle frames, where the boy walks past a kid but it looks like he passed two. So it's like the sweater girl teleported from Shane's right, to standing on their left. I've seen animated movies where they had the same problem happen between cuts, so it's pretty easy to overlook for time-consuming projects like that. The only other thing I noticed is the last frame on the first page, where one of the gloves didn't get colored in. I only noticed because the other one was being waved around and the color was eye-catching.
If they're easy to fix, you could if you wanted to, but I would just work on the next chapter and lookout for those moving forward. Great job! Can't wait for the next update.So sorry for the long reply, I just get really excited about this stuff.
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@kayleenartlover said in I did a graphic novel sample chapter! I'd love to know what you think
:How long did it take to make it (after doing the pre-production stuff like storyboarding/character design)? Also how did you decide on the size and dpi of the canvas for each page when drawing them vs uploading?
After thumbnailing and laying out all the text and speech bubbles, I'd guess a little more than a page a day. Since it was a portfolio project I used 8.5x11 as the size and 400 DPI (I like to be able to enlarge things a little if I need to) and for upload size I just told Clip Studio to export all the pages at 50% and it went to town
@kayleenartlover said in I did a graphic novel sample chapter! I'd love to know what you think
:I did catch a couple minor mistakes on the first page. One had to do with an inconsistency in character placement between two middle frames, where the boy walks past a kid but it looks like he passed two.
I crossed the line on the first page, absolutely! I noticed that one too and decided it wasn't worth fixing
though maybe I should!@kayleenartlover said in I did a graphic novel sample chapter! I'd love to know what you think
:The only other thing I noticed is the last frame on the first page, where one of the gloves didn't get colored in
Well I'll be damned. I missed a mitten. I missed a friggin' mitten. I hate those mittens so, so much... I'm never having mittens on strings on a character ever ever again
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@braydin-hawlette Haha! Well mittens are kinda like socks, very easy to lose or misplace, and never have to draw them again. Mwahaha!
Thank you for answering my questions as well. Definitely gonna save it for reference later.
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@braydin-hawlette & @StudioLooong -- if it helps, most of Canada uses ASL. With the exception of Quebec, which has its own sign language, LSQ.
Braden, it's awesome that you strive to show diversity in your illustrations, and including a Deaf character is great!
Going to agree with Taylor -- if you're going to include ASL, you need to make sure that it's accurate. Otherwise, you may end up offending the Deaf or hard of hearing rather than including them.
I'm going to take her challenge one step further and challenge you to consult with a Deaf person or someone who knows Deaf culture to ensure that your graphic novel is respectful and as accurate as possible. It's not just the ASL errors that are an issue. It's how the story is written and how the characters are portrayed that shows a lack of knowledge about sign language etiquette and Deaf culture.
How come the Deaf girl is the only one signing? How does she know what everyone else is saying if they're not signing? Do her friends know sign language? Does she read their lips? If this is something that I noticed and questioned, as someone who is not deaf but who is fluent in ASL, you can be sure that your Deaf and hard-of-hearing readers will notice it immediately and ask the same questions.
Quick Deaf culture lesson: it's considered rude to talk around a Deaf person if you know sign language. That means that if a group of friends contains one Deaf person and all the rest are hearing, if they all know sign language, ALL of their voices should be off and all of them should be signing. So to a Deaf person, the whole exchange of this scene either doesn't make sense because they're wondering how clear communication is happening ... or they think that everyone is rude because they're talking to their Deaf friend instead of signing.
Just an example of what might appear inclusive and neat to someone who doesn't know ASL or isn't aware of the culture, but someone who knows the language and is a part of the culture might feel and react differently. Hence the challenge: consult with an authenticity reader.
Again, props to you for including a Deaf character. It's SUPER hard to try to clearly capture the motion of signing in an illustration! You've given yourself quite a challenge, but you're uber-talented so I'm confident you're up to the task! Looking forward to seeing more awesome things from you!
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@melissa_bailey All good points! If this were to be published in any way shape or form or if I were to use this as a vehicle for a webcomic I would absolutely approach someone who is immersed in Deaf culture (or invest in some lessons!)
However, story-wise I was thinking that Tienna is not unable to hear, but instead unable to speak. It's very VERY rare in children beyond selective mutism, (which the school, doctor and Tienna's parents are convinced is the issue). However it's abnormally prevalent in Ravensbarrow due to the creature in the lake stealing newborn's voices on the 7th new moon every other year.
That being said, though:
Even if Tienna CAN hear there's still a whole culture that I need to explore beyond just throwing some hand-symbols into bubbles.
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it's probably a better idea (especially in this short comic where she has only a few lines) to switch that up and have Mattea sign back! It means that I get to draw more gestures, and it's more easily understood by the audience what's going on. Martin and Shane (at this point) do not know ASL, but Mattea would absolutely know how to talk with her friend.
Besides, the creature in the lake is probably much more interested in eyes
Thank you for the in depth feedback (and challenge!) Can I bug you with questions and show you changes once I've made them?
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@melissa_bailey I made some changes! Martin and Shane (seeing as they don't usually hang out with Tienna and Mattea) cannot yet use ASL, but Mattea does, and so signs unless she is ticked off and shouting (anger management is an issue in her family) or in the act of cycling or hurling Mr. bear.
Thank you again for the feedback
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@braydin-hawlette never mind my last post! I didn’t read it thoroughly enough! It’s great!
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@braydin-hawlette good solutions. Even if for right now there is no plan to publish and it is just up on your website -- if it's a portfolio piece, you may still want to make sure that what you show is accurate.
Wow, it sounds like there is A LOT of backstory and worldbuilding that we don't see in this chapter! That's awesome! Is there a way to include some of those salient character points in the excerpt? In my opinion, it would be helpful to know that Tienna can hear but doesn't speak. Does that add to the story? If not, if you want the focus to stay on the brothers, then it might be clearer for the reader to have Tienna say nothing (i.e. no signing) in this chapter -- leave that for later.
And yes, of course you can pick my brain and ask any questions. Happy to share what I know!
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Wow! Brilliant @braydin-hawlette! I was too engrossed in the story to notice any errors. I love all your characters, the story and your world-building, and Milton is so, so very annoying!
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This is truly awesome! I can’t add any feedback to what has been said already especially regarding the sign language element (which I think is a great thing to try). Even with the minor errors, it’s still a technical masterpiece.
I’m sure I’m not the only one but this has really inspired me to try a comic again. I don’t have a story but as I would love to try my CBPro course as a comic somehow as I know I’m not a traditional children’s picture book artist. Thanks for sharing this and all of the processes. And thanks for sharing your Clip Studio session you did. I have watched it quite a few times.
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Wow that is awesome work! Love the colour palette and the integration of sign language. The action and story build up and ominous silhouettes.
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@danielerossi I really like this and want to see where the story is going. The story telling is clear and moves at a good pace without any excess wordiness that would need to be trimmed. That applies to the illustrations too. I like the great shortcut you took by showing the map with boring routes and shortcuts. This would have dragged out if explained as exposition. Nicely done.
i love that the scary giant dog is a poodle. Perfect!
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@melissa_bailey said in I did a graphic novel sample chapter! I'd love to know what you think
:Wow, it sounds like there is A LOT of backstory and worldbuilding
Well, there is now
thanks to questions from people 
Part of my writing process is making stuff up to slap on plot holes that others point out.@melissa_bailey said in I did a graphic novel sample chapter! I'd love to know what you think
:Is there a way to include some of those salient character points in the excerpt? In my opinion, it would be helpful to know that Tienna can hear but doesn't speak.
I will see what I can do! In this very short chapter (which is all about Milton and Martin) it's tough to do organically, though. We shall see!
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@lizardillo said in I did a graphic novel sample chapter! I'd love to know what you think
:And thanks for sharing your Clip Studio session you did. I have watched it quite a few times.
I'm glad it's been useful! I've made many more workflow discoveries since then, so if you ever have any questions or anything lemme know
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@kim-hunter said in I did a graphic novel sample chapter! I'd love to know what you think
:i love that the scary giant dog is a poodle. Perfect!
It's based on our old family dog. We're not actually sure what it was! It's mom was a cocker spaniel and then there were various breeds of potential fathers hanging around the farm, so we always said he was a cocker scandal
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I read through this with two of my boys (11 and 9) and they absolutely loved it. Laughter and suspense all the way through. Thank you for giving us a few minutes to enjoy a wonderful story together!
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@lisa-clark Hooray for test readers! Glad they liked it
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Looks amazing. I love the characters' expressions, colour choices and muted backgrounds.
If you don't mind, can you share a bit about how you decided on the edges, shapes and gradations for the blue-purply backgrounds?
I really like how they are are kind of abstract and atmospheric at the same time- would love to know a bit more on your process for those.