Getting Adobe Photoshop



  • I was gifted a version of Photoshop 6 back in 2003 from a cousin in Los Angeles, at the time I was learning on the much more affordable Paintshop Pro. But the majority of tutorials I found at the time for " comic book coloring ", a skill I wanted to learn were done in Photoshop. Over the years I learned it was the Comic Book Industry standard...

    Along the way I eventually gave up using the black line, color look of comics for digital painting, and again found that most studios doing conceptual art for movies, games, videos were done in Photoshop... So that is my only working knowledge of it, though I do know they use it unison with 3D modeling programs like ZBrush.

    I agree with you a good artist can use any tool, and I love learning new tools, thus the reason I have so many of them to play around in. I prefer to use Photoshop most of the time though, because it is the standard and rightly so for it's flexibility. I totally agree, it costs crazy money to own, but now with the subscription rate of $9.99 a month to use the CC version, it's finally affordable.

    Painter in my opinion has more intuitive brushes, but the lines between the two programs are slowly blurring as each company is trying to sway votes. You can open Painter files in Photoshop, and I am hoping in a few years Painter will allow them to use their color picker for images that makes an instant palette, love that thing!

    But no 2 people ever seem to use Photoshop in the same exact way, as you can find myriad combinations to accomplish similar looks. I disagree that it doesn't handle painting very well, I think that is up to the artist.



  • Here's a question I've had for a while, what are the advantages of Photoshop over the program GIMP? I've tried looking this up but I can't find much information from an illustration perspective. I understand about it being the standard, and compatibility with sending psd files to clients and such, but for a student like me is it worth the cost? I ask because I've so far been able to follow every Photoshop tutorial without any problems, and it seems all the knowledge would carry over pretty easily. I just want to know if I'm missing out on something important.

    Anyway, hope you don't mind me asking here, it seemed on topic.



  • For a student like you, if $9.99 a month is in your budget, YES, it's worth the cost, because hopefully you are want to become a professional someday. Your clients will expect Photoshop files, not Gimp files. As to following the tutorial from PS into Gimp, congrats you're a better man than me, and most, as I found the learning curve with Gimp to be exasperating because I am so deeply into PS thinking.

    Looking for an answer for you, I actually found a pro Gimp article, that mentions a FREE hybrid called Gimpshop, which I think is hilarious!

    Gimp vs Photoshop article

    Learning wise, I think Gimp is fine, but it depends on what you want it for... creating art, I might gravitate towards a program that has tools I want to be more realistic. One I didn't mention is Autodesk Sketchbook Pro 7 on sale right now for $32, which also has some great pencil tools. Manga Studio 5 on sale as a digital download for $15 is used by comic book professionals, so it's geared to making that kind of art. Rebelle is currently $60 and is I think more for old school watercolorists... some of that speciality you might not get from Gimp.

    And if you're looking to do professional quality photo editing, Photoshop and it's parent company Adobe (with other programs like Lightroom) is pretty much the best at doing this... Gimp of course works, but don't forget it's updates and support are not regularly provided, not that corporate sponsorship should sway you, just that it's there for your immediate use.

    Free IS better if you're a student on a tight budget, I don't know many that aren't... as I mentioned before, Krita is free and is slowly making a name for itself. There are many other programs I haven't mentioned, which have big followings much like Gimp does, because people were looking for Photoshop alternatives and liked what they saw.

    Mischief is $25 and exceptional cause it has an Infinite Artboard... meaning you can draw an eye, zoom into the iris, draw a complete landscape, zoom out and never know it was there. That's a bit flippant, but the use of the IA, allows you to do fine details most programs won't allow, in fact I don't know of one that has this feature. It has limited brushes, but the ones there work fairly well. In a nutshell imagine not being limited to the borders of your page, that if you drew half a figure and wanted to finish it, you could just scroll down, and keep going... and going... and going.

    Okay that's enough rambling for me, I'll be back with some examples...



  • Okay so as promised, here are some different art programs you can use... the links are up above in my last post, except for Painter Essentials 5 currently $35 but most of these programs have trials versions as well... In the interest of consistency I only spent 10-20 minutes on each of these.

    apples.jpg

    SO play around, see what hits you, and hopefully you get some cool results.



  • @Bobby-Aquitania Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I'm aware that GIMP is not the best program to use and I'm not against the idea of buying one of the better programs out there, but I'd like to know that I'm not just paying for features I'll never use.

    As for the programs you listed, I've thought about Manga Studio but I don't really do much linework digitally, I've also tried Krita once but had some serious lag issues. I'll look into the others though.

    Anyway, thanks again.



  • @Bobby-Aquitania said:

    You can open Painter files in Photoshop, and I am hoping in a few years Painter will allow them to use their color picker for images that makes an instant palette, love that thing!

    I have the full Painter X3 (2013?) and you can make a color set from any image. And they also have a mixing palette feature - where you can "dirty" your colors (mix and smush colors on the palette similar to oil paints, and use that instead of a color set).

    I also find in Painter X3 version that not all layer types specific to painter transfer/look the same in photoshop (I have CS4). More recent versions of painter might do better?

    Painter definitely has some features that you can't do in Photoshop (eg pen pattern brushes, image hoses), and an overwhelming set of all real media (oil, watercolor, ink, acrylic, pencil, pen, etc etc) brushes and their variants. And an infinitely configurable brush engine, to create brushes never before seen on any planet. Whereas I find Photoshop easier to use for certain things (especially big files), and definitely more stable - ie not likely to go into la-la land.



  • @Bobby-Aquitania

    Couldn't resist, to add to your collection of rendering of apples in different apps. myapple.jpg I took your photo and did an apple in Painter x3 - but I probably spent about 30-60 mins on it. One of my challenges was to not clean it up too much, as I wanted to leave the imperfections and happy accidents that happen with real watercolor



  • @Nancy-Gormezano I love it!!! I wish I had a better command of watercolor in Painter. I can do that with traditional media, but I prefer to work mostly digital now. The brushes I used from Painter Essentials were charcoal, since I had used Rebelle to do watercolors... Anyway, love your apple, it's awesome...



  • @Bobby-Aquitania said:

    I wish I had a better command of watercolor in Painter. I can do that with traditional media, but I prefer to work mostly digital now.

    Thanks Bobby!

    Yes..it does take a concerted effort to wrap one's head around their watercolor terms, and to understand how to tweak their controls. I am fascinated by their "real watercolor" brushes and terms, along with their regular, and digital watercolor (and the differences between them).

    The "real watercolor" brushes are the best for simulating the real stuff. I had to spend days (about a week ago) playing with the real watercolor. I thought I understood it, but alas, went away from it for awhile, and I again forget what all the controls do...



  • I would second Sean and Bobby in highly recommending that you try out Manga Studio 5. It's name is a complete misconception - it's an excellent painting tool, with a much nicer brush engine than PS (in my humble opinion!!) It can save and open PS files, and the only compatibility issue that I can see, would be if you were opening someone elses photoshop files, with adjustment layers as they don't seem to transfer too well to Manga Studio.

    I've also joined the fun, and shamelessly pinched Bobby's apple linework (hope that was ok!) to render an apple in 20 mins in Manga Studio - just to show you a different style that is achievable in the software. My usual digital painting style is fairly highly rendered, and I've never had a problem achieving that in MS5. This apple is painted using standard brushes and blending tools, but there are some pretty awesome custom brush packs that you can buy for under $10 to really increase the repetoire.
    MS_Apple.jpg



  • Very nice Samalah, actually I saw that this was done a few months ago discussing the merits of Rebelle. I didn't know they also used apples, I guess all artists tend to go to that shape for color tests. Yeah I saw watercolor sets for sale for MS5, and am tempted to get some, but I already have some nice custom ones for marker and watercolor in Photoshop that my wife bought me for my birthday.

    Thanks for playing along!



  • dind know were going to paint apples!! :p


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