Super cute @RHirsch! Great composition too.
I agree with @MirkaH about the letters not standing out enough. I'd probably make them solid black myself so that they're not the same colour as the birds. It would be cool too if you made the 'I's and '1's look like musical notes - just a thought
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RE: Kid Lit 411 illustration
Super cute @RHirsch! Great composition too.
I hope I'm not overstepping boundaries here, but just wanted to mention for any writers of PBs in this group - I'm not sure if you're familiar with Kidlit College, but they're now offering a yearly membership which is the closest thing I've seen to SVS's subscription model, but for writing PBs instead of illustrating. So now you can join as a 'Full-2018 Member' for $297 (that's per year) where you get one webinar per month with submission opportunities, plus access to past webinars on demand, plus 10% off their other full courses and crit-n-chats. If you're interested, check it out.
@jimsz Yeah the subscription model is why I'm so hesitant about getting the Studio version - but I'm thinking it may be necessary for a seamless workflow. It's already priced a fair bit more than the standard - yet they had to go and make it a yearly charge on top of that
Hi everyone -
I just got an iPad Pro (woo hoo! So excited) and I'll definitely be getting Astropad (https://astropad.com) since Photoshop is my program of choice.
There seems to be two options: a standard and then a studio professional version. I'm wondering who here uses Astropad with their iPad Pro and which version you use? Do you have any recommendations? There's a free trial for the studio version (which I'll definitely try out!) but not one for the standard. I assume they want you to try the studio one since they're hoping to get you hooked on that one.
If anyone has used the standard version, I'm interested to know if you find it to be robust enough for you and if you miss having any additional features that would be in the studio version. I'm already thinking that just from the sounds of it I'll most likely prefer the studio simply because there's keyboard support and a bunch of options for shortcuts. I may be wrong on this, but then does that mean the standard has NO shortcut features and therefore you have to use the pencil to navigate through menu options to change between tools, etc.? If so, that's a huge hinderance to my workflow.
Anyway - just wondering what your thoughts are if you do use Astropad! And regardless of version, I'd love to know how you like it overall. Thanks!
RE: December 3rd Thursday: Ask us Anything!
Do publishers pay extra for any illustrations you do for marketing purposes, or are you just expected to do however much you can on your own?
If the author of the book is offering to pay the illustrator for doing any extra illustrations for marketing efforts (ie. asking you do a few colouring pages based on your book's character/environment), is it okay morally to accept it? Or should the illustrator just put in the extra time to make these various marketing pieces? (I'm asking for a traditionally published book where the illustrator is getting paid from the publisher, nothing from the author). How would you recommend the author and illustrator go about collaborating on marketing efforts?
RE: A question about working with art directors.
Hey @natiwata! Welcome back
I'm currently working on illustrating my first picture book and I was surprised at how many changes the AD wanted at the thumbnail stage. There were quite a few rounds - but honestly, looking back she was pretty spot-on and the book will be that much better for it. I'm at final art now and two of the spreads she wanted to see in final colour along with approving everything at the linework stage. Thankfully, I had to change a lot less and I recognize that it's largely in part due to "nailing it" at the thumbnail stage. I'm hoping that when I submit all the final art there's minimal changes too because at least she liked/approved the line art and compositions already.
As much I was surprised by the rounds of changes to the thumbnails, I went to a talk with Ashley Spires recently. She's a Canadian illustrator and has done 10+ books with Canadian illustrators and is just now working on her first one with an American publisher. She said it was like night and day - that the Canadian publishers gave her so much more freedom and the American one was soooo uptight at the character design phase. She showed us her sketches she did for her character design - she gave them more than 150 options before they chose one! Yikes.
At the end of the day though, I think it depends on the publishing company and the personality of the art director whether they'll be more hands-on or not.
RE: Holiday promos
@smceccarelli This is great! Super adorable. I love that you can use it for both a Twitter banner and 3 images on Instagram. Great idea!
The only thing that's not reading for me is the bear in the center with the scarf - it took me far too long to "get" what was happening with his arm on the left. I see it now (his arm is linked with the bear next to him) and maybe that would improve when you go to colour, but right now it's awkwardly not reading well for me.
RE: Agents on Instagram?
@laurel-aylesworth May I ask why you're trying to get an agent's attention that way, when you could just do your research and submit to them direct?
Of course it's great to organically be "found" that way - but for one, I personally think it's better to take control and be proactive about it. Not to mention it's more strategic - you're just submitting then to the agents whom you think you'd like to work with and would fit on their list.
I actually had an agent contact me about 2 weeks ago after seeing my illustrations on the SCBWI website. It didn't work out in the end - just as he decided I wasn't a good fit for him after all, I immediately had a gut feeling he wasn't right for me either. If you're hoping to get attention from the exact right agents who would be a good fit for you just through social media I think you'll be waiting a very long time. Especially since many agents, while open to new clients, have VERY full lists already and aren't going out of their way to find ones outside of the oodles of submissions they already get.
Put yourself in the driver's seat And, good luck!
RE: Self-marketing decisions
@smceccarelli What a great post! Thanks for sharing all this great insight.
I've been wondering about the efficacy of postcards myself recently. It certainly does seem like a lot of work (and money! Especially if you're sending to American publishers yet don't live in the States yourself...postage is expensive!).
It's funny you mention Behance - less than a week ago I signed up again after years of not being on it. For now I've just posted my graphic design related work, but now that you've had success with it for illustration, I think I'll check to see if there's different groupings you can put things into (so that I can keep the graphic design work separate from the illustration).
Also... a HUGE congrats on your new book contract! I can't wait to hear more about it. Yay!!!
RE: Alice in Wonderland - illustration series
This is extraordinary @smceccarelli! I think this is perhaps my favourite of anything I've seen of yours. Well done! I could seriously look at that last one for days.
The only thing I'd say for a critique is that Alice is dressed pretty plain in my opinion. I'm wondering though if you did that on purpose - so that her surroundings really stand out and so then she looks even more out of place in this world? If that's the case, even just adding a simple ribbon around her waist would help I think. The middle one in particular looks a bit hospital gown-ish at the moment with how it's billowing.
I seriously think a publisher should hire you to illustrate a new take on Alice
RE: What is your favorite part of SVS and what can we do better?
I second what @marsha-kay-ottum-owen said about more writing classes (and an author-illustrator one would be fantastic!).
Also - this is in comparison to other online children's book courses, not traditional art school. But something others are doing really well and would be a H-U-G-E feature if you offered it was to give class participants direct submission opportunities where they skip the slush pile (to select art directors you've networked with and got on board with it, or editors and agents). You'd probably want to limit these opportunities to only those in the LIVE classes though, especially since there would be a time limit in order to submit to those industry professionals.
Speaking of networking with industry professionals - what about classes that are actually taught by an art director, an editor, and an agent?
RE: First time sending postcards. Should I expect response?
I'm in the exact same boat as @smceccarelli - I think around 300 total between mailings and a conference I attended, and not a single response.
The one contract that's come my way has been through good ol' fashioned networking (through a course I took online).
That's not to say that you won't get a favourable response though - I think it's all about timing, and a bit of luck. If your postcard happens to hit the desk of an art director who connects with your work AND right then has a project in mind you'd be great for, then you're set.
RE: SCBWI Question
@rcartwright Hello fellow British Columbian! And SCBWI Canada West-er
Unfortunately I think you're just automatically in the designated region and in Canada, that means being part of one that covers a very broad area. But that doesn't mean you can't participate - if you're looking for an in-person critique group, for example and there isn't one in your area you can always volunteer to start one.
Even though I live close to Vancouver, I find there isn't near as much going on with our chapter as the American ones have. It's just a matter of numbers though - even in the Vancouver area there's a minimal number of members.
We're always invited to any of the regional conferences though in addition to the large ones - in April I think there was at least 10 of us British Columbians who went to the Western Washington conference in Redmund. And the Western Washington people let me join their facebook group so I get to see all their announcements - they do FAR more than we do in Canada, that's for sure. You'd be invited to any of the events that you're willing to travel to - whether in Canada or the States. You just can't change your "home" region, if that makes sense.
RE: # of rounds of changes in a publishing contract
Thanks Simona! That's good to know. And knowledge from both sides of the table! That does make a lot of sense about making sure to include the deadline for when they have to give you feedback on changes. With a solid deadline, a lot could fall on the artist's shoulders quite quickly.
I'm negotiating a contract with a small publisher now, and there's nothing in there about # of changes, or deadlines for feedback of said changes so I'll definitely be going back to them to request both be added!
# of rounds of changes in a publishing contract
This question is for those of you who've already negotiated/signed a contract with a traditional publisher.
I know that, without a doubt, if you're signing a contract with an individual who's self-publishing you'll want it to state a cap on how many rounds of changes they can request (1 or 2 probably)... because if you don't state that then things can really get out of hand with their requests for changes. But does this apply to contracts with traditional publishers (large and small)? Theoretically, an art director at a publishing house won't go to extremes with round after round of changes, or will they? What is the norm?
My apologies if it was said in the 3rd Thursday when they spoke about contracts - if it was I obviously missed it!
Thanks so much
RE: Greatest fear - WIP
@nowayme I love this! The concept is great, and the drawing itself is well done. My only criticism is of the guy spinning the ball on his fingertip. To me he looks like an adult rather than a teenager.
There were so many shy guys in my highschool. In my graduating year, three different guys signed my yearbook confessing they always had a crush on me but were too afraid to say anything. I was like 'awww - I wish you'd said something sooner!' And I was super shy myself, but still I was the one to ask guys to dance with me at school dances. haha The struggle is real.
Anyway - I can't wait to see it finished!