A few pieces from my Instagram, which I did in the past 47 days https://www.instagram.com/ceowannabeartist/. I've been trying to draw for more than a decade and now in a month I did more than I did in the past decade (i.e. in the past decade I never did a single piece), just by a few changes:

• Drawing is 90% seeing, 10% drawing.
• Use references, draw a LOT from life, like ALL the time.
• Abandoned digital, went to traditional.
• Change subjects and media daily. But to be honest, I'm now mostly in love with watercolor. Still waiting for my acrylic materials to be delivered.
• Do not try to draw a body/face/eye/whatever, draw the shapes you see.
• Not perfect? Fuck it, just do it.
• Draw daily or you failed: to avoid losing track, I bought a tiny pocket sketchbook, to do scribbles/rough sketches wherever I am.

Hello folks! I'm from Brazil, a programmer with more than 20 years of experience, and currently a startup co-founder and CEO.

Why am I here? I've been trying to break into drawing and illustration also for the past 20 years, not for paying my bills with it, but for a love that I have for art and illustration (specially colorful stuff, be it cute or not, but colorful). I also love learning new things and new abilities, I study and read every single day of my life, whatever it is, since I was a kid. I don't count those things as "hobbies", but "experiences" I accumulate in my life. And drawing has been in my top priority list forever.

But all those years I always get frustrated because from everything that is in my list, art is the more time consuming one to reach a minimal reasonable stage: I buy books, courses, materials, etc only to get frustrated after 2-3 months OR to get into a new startup project and abandon art again ("this is a waste of time that will take forever / I'm losing money because I'm not working and I don't need this s*** in my life"), and this pattern repeats every year. I also have a drawing tablet which I did never manage to use correctly without hurting my wrists and I sold my drawing monitor yesterday which I hated, because I was breaking my back trying to use it.

But then I get frustrated for getting frustrating about art and because I abandoned it again. Go figure haha.

I don't remember exactly what was my YouTube search, but I bumped into a Will Terry's video regarding motivation/entrepreneurship which got my attention. Then I kept watching his videos and got to know his work, which I felt in love immediately with his style (specially the colors and lightning). Then that led me to SVS Learn and to Jake Parker work as well.

Long story short, Will Terry's style is what I've been seeking all those years when pursuing art but didn't know how to explain it or detail what exactly I was looking for.

So here I am, I subscribed in order to try to learn something close to Will Terry's work. Since I'm not looking forward to earn a living from art, I am here with a relaxed and peaceful mindset. At the same time I think that this is also a reason that I abandon art every year: there is no pressure on learning it, i.e. I won't starve. Maybe I should start thinking about it as a job? "Learn it or starve? If you don't learn how to draw this year you will end up living under a bridge?"

Let's see where this goes

Cheers!

@mattramsey said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

@collector

The problem lies on dealing with overflow of ideas, even for studies, i.e.: "study thousands of eyes first? environments? line balance?, etc".

No. Pick one piece. You mentioned you like Will Terry's stuff. Excellent taste.

Here is your assignment:

Copy this piece. Completely finish it. I would recommend not using the color picker (if you work digitally)--instead try and get a close as possible with just your eye.
Step 2: post a side-by-side on this site and allow your fellow artists to give their input.

This took me 8 tries, around 1h (40~60min) each the past days, and this is the best one (I like to first place proportions and main shapes with a non-photo blue pencil). But I find it insane that it took me that amount of time to COPY an EXTREMELY simple drawing like that, but at least I can say it was very pleasing to do.

Now I'll scan and try to color in Photoshop. In Photoshop I'll also fix some of the mistakes in the line art and I still see mistakes in the crow.

I really like the "Iterative Drawing" convention mixed with "Quantity, not Quality". First and foremost, I recommend watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs and then reading this http://johnmuirlaws.com/art-and-drawing/quantity-quality (I think everyone will like these links :)).

Instead of stressing out trying to make ONE perfect subject (quality), you will instead draw hundreds of imperfect versions of the subject, but always learning something new (iterative quantity). After that, you will be able to draw UNLIMITED perfect variations of the subject. <- make sure you always review every drawing and correct your mistakes in the next one/add something new in the next one, otherwise it won't be "iterative", it will be "blind" practice.

Every drawing is a preparation for the next one, so don't focus on pretty pictures on daily practice.

IN DETAILS:
It is no use if you keep blindly drawing something for the sake of "practice everyday" without correcting your mistakes, without learning about them and without improving upon them. So the iterative drawing + "quantity not quality" makes you draw the same subject dozens upon hundreds of times. But applying what you learned in the previous drawing and fixing it. Then since you are focused on quantity, you will draw, for example, a billion eyes iteratively, with just a little fix here and there, until you master it.

“The ceramics teacher announced that he was dividing the class into two groups. All those on the left side of the studio would be graded solely on the quantity of work they produced, all those on the right solely on its quality. His procedure was simple: on the final day of class he would weigh the work of the “quantity” group: fifty pound of pots rated an “A”, forty pounds a “B”, and so on. Those being graded on “quality”, however, needed to produce only one pot – albeit a perfect one – to get an “A”. At grading time, a curious fact emerged: the works of highest quality were all produced by the group being graded for quantity. It seems that while the “quantity” group was busily churning out piles of work – and learning from their mistakes – the “quality” group had sat theorizing about perfection, and in the end had little more to show for their efforts than grandiose theories and a pile of dead clay.” and Drawing isn't about trying and trying until something nice turns out. If your drawings look bad, there's a reason for it. You need to find it and solve the problem, not go and create a situation in which this problem will not be visible. You won't become a chess champion by facing only players that are easy to beat.

EDITED - these are my notes and annotations that I extracted from the video:

• Creating bridges between the analytical and intuitive sides of the brain.
• The intuitive brain is not struck in this world where everything has to be explained and measured, like the analytical one.
• Do not get struck in one way of doing things (creative freedom)
• Example: Instead of creating a whole body, create 20 heads, changing positions, etc ITERATIVELY, checking defects and correcting them next. With this you will get a lot of mileage and muscle memory.
• Wait a day, analyze, see what’s right and wrong, and do again.
• Iterative: not about making a finished image, it is about developing the brain, from purely analytical to intuitive mileage
• Analyze and make better guesses of the first item you draw in the series, then keep iterating it
• Also focus on iterating a single item many times instead of doing for instance: a person, a tree, a skull, choose one, let’s say a very specific tree and keep iterating it by your own, analyzing it, until mastered.
• Another example: don’t draw 20 different eyes in a page, instead, repeat the first eyes 20 times, BUT analyzing and improving one by one until perfected or until you feel it is right
• Pages and pages of iterations
• If using references (https://youtu.be/k0ufz75UvHs?t=35m5s), don’t copy. Study and analyze based on your drawing, what is different / let’s try again / what I remember etc. Also try this day and then wait until next day and try again from memory, or comparing to previous day.
• Draw pages and pages, BUT ANALYZE WHAT YOU ARE DOING, WHY AND HOW CAN I IMPROVE IT and then draw again improving. And keep improving and analyzing. Instead on relying on tutorials and everything else that tell you what to do. Figure it out yourself.

I like "old looking" drawings. In my opinion, your style is amazing.

Just an addendum for my initial post: I said I am a perfectionist in my work too, but I actually know how to balance "LAUNCH SOMETHING" versus "PERFECT IT LATER".

It is funny because for my current startup I started with a rough working and original prototype, launched quickly, built traction, raised money TWO times and now perfectionism is what is making us grow. But if I were a perfectionist 2 years ago, I would still be just polishing without launching a product. The "Finished, Not Perfect" is what made me fly high.

This is the opposite to what I do with art, as expressed. I don't know how to balance it, I think because of the lack of experience with the subject.

@aska said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

@collector why don't you post all your 30 thumbnails and let the forum choose?

They are mostly scribbles tied each to a set of reference photos But I liked the idea and I'll try to pack the ones I find best and post here seeking guidance.

@DOTTYP said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

You just described me,I also cant get the treehouse finished because it is never good enough! I enter contests and then have so many ideas the contest is over before I even settle on an idea. You sound like you are a perfectionist I am too,I waste so much paper. I look forward to seeing your most amazing shocking Treehouse I now I feel mine will have to be more amazing and shocking than yours lol.I hope this makes sense i am sure other people will have better advice and I need advice too.

But you actually produce art, and very beautiful pieces

Thanks for the tips. Regarding the "most amazing and shocking [item]" that's what my brain tells me haha because I know I am not able to produce that kind of stuff yet.

@Marsha-Kay-Ottum-Owen said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

@collector I'm the opposite. I crank thins out and don't take enough time ot finish them until they are my best work and post them anyway, then I am a bit embarrassed sometimes. It would eb nice o find the happy medium between overkill and rushing through in a frenzy.

Thanks for sharing your side! From everything I read and watched, etc I'm quite sure you are the one that do it correctly "Better finished than abandoned!".

@rcartwright said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

You should consider meditating (no that was not a joke) It helps to create clarity in your thoughts. I also have issues with trying to be perfect in art but you need to remember that you will be more truly critical of your own work than other people. I don't think you can create something truly unique if you worry too much about the "right way". When I start a new concept I brainstorm in writing not drawing the thumbnails are for arranging the story elements I want after my idea is clear. One thing that has helped me a lot was when I watched Jake Parker's video on "needing a product". That helped open my eyes to how I need to think, no matter how many things I need to get done or want to study I always am able to focus back on my product

That's a good tip, thanks. My wife also tells me that all the time, but with my stubbornness (and 14-16h work days, 7 days a week), I never allocate time for mediation.

"I don't think you can create something truly unique if you worry too much about the "right way"" - I completely agree and I HONESTLY don't want that in the end. I just want to... draw. But I always end up burning out without any control (and then the time left is over for the day).

One thing that has helped me a lot was when I watched Jake Parker's video on "needing a product". That helped open my eyes to how I need to think, no matter how many things I need to get done or want to study I always am able to focus back on my product – good point, I'll try to align that in the same way as a lead when I create software products. "Rough WORKING prototype first, polish later".

@mattramsey said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

That would be one obvious idea. If the problem is "is this sketch good enough" then submitting it to fellow artists should help with that.

Do you actually DO studies? or just research and thumbnails/sketches? In other words: do you draw or paint pieces that you take from other artists? And if so: do you take those studies all the way to completion--making sure you get them as close as possible to the piece you are "copying."

If not, that's your problem right there. 100% and period.

You will not be able to make the most fantastic thing ever until you have the technical skills to do so.

That will not come by watching videos alone (even 9,000 hours of them).

If you DO have the skill and your sketches/thumbnails are good then maybe it's just the case that you can't decide because they are ALL AMAZING. If so, putting up on this site will help get some other eyes on them and give you nudges in certain directions.

I just do research and thumbnails and lots of drills (lines, spheres, shapes, coordination, etc), but barely (or never) do studies. Reading your question and answering you shows how obvious the issue is. The problem lies on dealing with overflow of ideas, even for studies, i.e.: "study thousands of eyes first? environments? line balance?, etc".

@TessW said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

Oh dear, I can relate! I feel like I've mostly conquered this problem, but sometimes those overwhelming feelings start creeping back. You can definitely find strategies to help. People have already made some really great points. I also agree with the meditation advice.

Have you shared samples of your work here yet? I would really encourage you to start a new thread and show us some of your sketches, studies, thumbnails, and finished pieces. I think if we know where you are as an artist, we can give you more specific advice on how to proceed and possibly conquer these problems you experience.

As ridiculous as it seems, what I wrote in the title is literally 100% real: I never finished any piece, other than drills or scribbles/scribbled thumbnails (and hundreds of clippings from courses and books, but that is not working/drawing :P). In all those 12+ years, I try to dive into art for 3-4 months, buying new courses, getting into drills to warm up again, and then frustration hits me again because of burning out with the choices and then I abandon art once more, without ever drawing anything ("I don't need this thing in my life, waste of time, etc etc").

That's why I created the topic, it is the first time I'm expressing this ridiculous situation I insist in my desire for art every year.

@Christine-Garner said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

I can relate to the endless research thing and perfectionism but I'm taking steps to curb the habit by just doing stuff and not being so precious over things. I think you have to really let go of this perfectionism mindset and just practice with what you have got because that is the only way to beat it and the frustration and anxiety it causes. Either that or do what I do and play Dungeon Keeper 1 and 2 for a bit to relax.

Good point, "just practice with what you have got". I think the contest thing (which I also try every year to get into), is what is overkill for me as well, since I can't even draw a single subject yet.

@K.-W. said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

There are many different techniques you can use to deal with this kind of anxiety (which can sometimes be most helpful to learn from a licensed psychologist, especially if you're hitting a wall you can't seem to get past on your own).

Since you mentioned that, and that I don't have a problem on telling this, I have to mention that I'm bipolar (under treatment for years now). I wonder if anyone else can also relate? This bipolarity "thing" is what made me start and close lots of startups all the time, and just recently I managed to control it (and finally have a growing business). I even created a study group in Brazil called "Bipolar Entrepreneurship".

But since art is so different to what I am used to do my whole life, I still have to find a way to control it as a bipolar. My psychiatrist tells me
that for any subject that I choose, the mindset has to be the same: focus on a single subject (which is easier said than done).

But how would you feel if you chose a mediocre tree-house thumbnail, followed through by finishing that illustration, entered the contest, and did not win the contest or receive finalist status? Would you still want to have completed that illustration and entered the contest?

I learn drawing and art for the sake of just wanting do draw anything that comes into my mind (and stuff comes all the time), without any need to make a living of from it or to win anything. BUT when the thing starts to get real, i.e. a contest, challenges or actually finish something, then I go like "all or nothing, win or give up". So replying you here, I can firmly say that I don't care about winning or being a finalist, but in my subconscious, as stupid and absurd as it sounds, I don't like have "crap stuff" published under my name. "You can't delete what you publish online".

When I hold the pencil, I just can't control these thoughts.

I.e. contests drive me insane, because that inner competitive monster inside want all in or nothing. Win or die. That is one of the reasons that I never do any kind of sport or multiplayer games. I just go completely insane. Heck, I played MMORPGs for a long time and I was always a lone wolf, because if I joined other players/groups, I would be the most toxic one ever, putting pressure in everyone else, due to the need to always Win, even if that means ranking top damage, etc. That was getting ridiculous and unhealthy, so I quitted those games (hey, World of Warcraft, talking about you).

But I agree with Aska and Matt that it might help you to get started if you shared your thumbnails. Would you like to get feedback on those from the forums?

They are 30 or so pages of scribbles tied to references, with descriptions in my mind, but I'll see if I assemble and describe them in a easy way to post here, thanks

@rcartwright said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmeeU8RiDcg
Watch this

This is an amazing video! Thank you! Going to watch it for the 2nd time now after posting!

EDITED: He has another one on the subject of studying and burning out: "If you are just learning, taking way too much information, constantly, all the time, you are gonna burn out". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xLevnROyu8

@Chip-Valecek said in Hi from Brazil and from a non-artist:

@alfredbaudisch Welcome to the forums! As like you, I do not use art to make money. It is my hobby and a way to unwind from the day. Working a full time job and raising 4 kids is alot of stress. I love to just put on some music and get lost in the art. The forums is a great place to be, lots of people offering help along the way. Looking forward to watching you grow and hope you reach your goals of a Will Terry style of art.

Thanks @Chip-Valecek for the warming welcome!

get lost in the art

I think in the end that is my ultimate goal as well! (+ having this additional skillset in my life's journey to learn everything I can)

@QuietYell awesome! @Jake-Parker "map" is what I was looking for.

@Leontine said in Hi from Brazil and from a non-artist:

Welcome Alfred! Where do you live in Brazil? My sister lives near Sao Paolo and so I've visited your great country a lot of times, its one of my most favorite countries of all times! I hope you can find your destiny in drawing, I know Its hard, raising children, working and wanting to draw. (I have four Boy's aswel). BUT; give yourself the time and space to grow as an artist. stretch towards it by working hard on your skills. Its rewarding, and frustrating. But working trough this frustration will help you grow lots! I am sure you won't regret it! Good luck on this journey!

Thanks! I'm from São Paulo as well! To be honest in all those years trying to learn art I've never joined a community, always by my own. Now, just joined SVS and loving here, specially the welcoming feeling. I feel that will help a lot. Let's see where this goes.

By the way, do you come to Brazil often? And is your sister Brazilian or just lives here?

PS 1: I don't have kids

PS 2: Loved this piece of yours

A few pieces from my Instagram, which I did in the past 47 days https://www.instagram.com/ceowannabeartist/. I've been trying to draw for more than a decade and now in a month I did more than I did in the past decade (i.e. in the past decade I never did a single piece), just by a few changes:

• Drawing is 90% seeing, 10% drawing.
• Use references, draw a LOT from life, like ALL the time.
• Abandoned digital, went to traditional.
• Change subjects and media daily. But to be honest, I'm now mostly in love with watercolor. Still waiting for my acrylic materials to be delivered.
• Do not try to draw a body/face/eye/whatever, draw the shapes you see.
• Not perfect? Fuck it, just do it.
• Draw daily or you failed: to avoid losing track, I bought a tiny pocket sketchbook, to do scribbles/rough sketches wherever I am.

Sorry everyone for taking too long to reply! I ended up not renewing my SVSLearn subscription and I thought I lost access to the forum, but that was not the case, cool!

I ended up giving up the idea of trying digital art and decided to go all the way with traditional media. Everything: pencil, ink, colored pencil, watercolor, etc. Turns out I've been now sketching DAILY for the past 47 days! This is my Instagram account which from day 1-35 I posted daily: https://www.instagram.com/ceowannabeartist/

You have no idea how happy I am to finally be able to draw. Sketching comes so easily now. What used to take HOURS just to do a basic line art like the frog above, now takes 5-30 minutes! Also I change media and subjects daily.

@mattramsey said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

@collector Perfect---you're doing it man!

And then a few more. Everyone is different but it'd be good to get it down to where you could sketch that frog in...I don't know...5 - 10 min*?

Thank you! I can now sketch that frog in 5-10 minutes and paint it in another 10 to 30 minutes! Since I do a daily painting, I'll do the frog today, hopefully!

@christine-garner said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

I've been going though similar thing about not learning Blender 3D for ages due to fear about it (it will be hard, I don't have the time, what's the point, my work will be horrible etc....), but in the past few days I forced myself to just get started with it just to see what happens without the pressure of thinking I have to be an expert before I even begin (which is impossible anyway), and I surprised myself by getting a lot further with it than I thought I would and breaking the initial fear of it all which is encouraging me to keep going with it. I think this post helped me realize I had the same issues to work out.

That's really cool! I studied countless of Blender and to be honest I love it, but I get annoyed with it and I never feel happy creating stuff with it, it is not pleasing to me. Happy that you are moving further with it/

@christine-garner said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Artists
https://youtu.be/vM39qhXle4g

Hah, this is the video that woke me up this year It led me to "STEAL LIKE AN ARTIST" and tips like "choose a subject", "choose someone to mirror", but MOSTLY important: "don't feel like drawing? draw at least a line, and then if you feel like, you will keep drawing". I even apply this last piece of advice to work: "don't feel like programming? write just one line of code". Naturally that lead to another line (code or drawing) and another and another.. and then you finish something daily.

@amandajean said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

So I reiterate, stop stalling with all the knowledge and the learning, and apply it... do something, ANYTHING. Then when you've finished that, do it again. And again. And again! Soon you'll find all that knowledge you've gathered will come in handy. You can do this. Goooo!

Well said. That's exactly what I applied by the end of July that put me on the tracks of finally drawing daily without fear of perfection. "Fuck it, just do it!".

"But it is not perfect, but I don't know how... " "Fuck it, do it!".

Thanks everyone!!!

@mattramsey said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

@collector

The problem lies on dealing with overflow of ideas, even for studies, i.e.: "study thousands of eyes first? environments? line balance?, etc".

No. Pick one piece. You mentioned you like Will Terry's stuff. Excellent taste.

Here is your assignment:

Copy this piece. Completely finish it. I would recommend not using the color picker (if you work digitally)--instead try and get a close as possible with just your eye.
Step 2: post a side-by-side on this site and allow your fellow artists to give their input.

This took me 8 tries, around 1h (40~60min) each the past days, and this is the best one (I like to first place proportions and main shapes with a non-photo blue pencil). But I find it insane that it took me that amount of time to COPY an EXTREMELY simple drawing like that, but at least I can say it was very pleasing to do.

Now I'll scan and try to color in Photoshop. In Photoshop I'll also fix some of the mistakes in the line art and I still see mistakes in the crow.

@mattramsey I'll definitely try this and post later, thanks!

@TessW thanks for the time you put in preparing these instructions. Loved the way you approached the "apply" part as creating an actual drawing while focused on that single study subject and not just drawing the drills/analytical studies as I've been doing forever.

I'll take some time to put into practice what @mattramsey and @TessW said and post back here once I got something.

@Ben-Migliore said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

You may want to check out tomorrow's third thursday. Here: https://www.svslearn.com/3rd-thursdays-1/2017/5/30/june-2017-battling-creative-block it's a free webinar

Cool! Just registered! Hope to meet you live over there later today.

@rcartwright said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmeeU8RiDcg
Watch this

This is an amazing video! Thank you! Going to watch it for the 2nd time now after posting!

EDITED: He has another one on the subject of studying and burning out: "If you are just learning, taking way too much information, constantly, all the time, you are gonna burn out". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xLevnROyu8

@holleywilliamson said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

Hi you are not the only one that struggles with this. I spent so many years battling perfectionism. I feel like there was so much wasted time that I could have been improving, but I had an image to protect as a child/teenager (being a "great" artist) so I didn't want to try anything unless I knew I could draw it well. As an adult I spent a lot of time studying personalities and figuring out who I am. Coming to accept that perfectionism is a gift as long as you use it for select parts of your life (it doesn't matter if the toilet is cleaned perfectly) and don't impose it on others. I have an analytical mind, I love math, but I love art too, I don't feel satisfied unless I do art. It can help with so many aspects of art, especially illustration.

Thanks for sharing this. I can relate so much to what you said "I feel like there was so much wasted time that I could have been improving".

Also: "Coming to accept that perfectionism is a gift as long as you use it for select parts of your life" - amazing point. As I answered previously, I have complete control of perfectionism in my work, but not in new subjects. I feel that a master (in any subject) is the one that has a balance between starting and applying perfectionism.

This is a great book: Art and Fear
https://www.amazon.com/Art-Fear-Observations-Rewards-Artmaking/dp/0961454733/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497297292&sr=8-1&keywords=art+and+fear

This is in my wishlist forever. It's about time I buy and read it.

Of course Jake Parker has posted a lot about finished not perfect, I am sure you have listened to that.

Learning to love yourself, your strengths and weaknesses, which often stem from the same thing is so important.

Yes, I watched that, thanks :).

@Kat said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

I bet there are many more people nodding their heads and saying "Me too!" than what reply here. I don't really have an answer because I think we all need to come up with a solution that works for each of us. For me, I just have to force myself to sit down and pick up a pencil. Even if all I draw is boxes or circles, it usually pushes me past the analysis paralysis, and if I relax into it I can sometimes even draw something.

I try that as well ("Even if all I draw is boxes or circles"), but then I start cheating myself saying that is a f* waste of time and that I either do something ultra-amazing or go back to work. I gotta find that balance and transition spot!

@smceccarelli said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

I can only contribute one of my favorite quotes, that helps me nearly daily.
"You need to do 100 pieces that crawl to make one that walks, 100 that walk to make one that flies, 100 that fly to make one that soars".
So if your aim is to do the one that soars (and isn´t that what all artists want?) the way goes through the crawling, walking and flying ones...
Every time I finish an illustration I think "does it crawl, walk or fly?" (It never soars... ;-)). Whatever the answer is, it is a good one, because the counter goes up one in the respective category!

That's a good quote It reminds me of Quantity, Not Quality from naturalist John Laws: http://johnmuirlaws.com/art-and-drawing/quantity-quality (in my case it was easier to read than to do it).

“The ceramics teacher announced that he was dividing the class into two groups. All those on the left side of the studio would be graded solely on the quantity of work they produced, all those on the right solely on its quality. His procedure was simple: on the final day of class he would weigh the work of the “quantity” group: fifty pound of pots rated an “A”, forty pounds a “B”, and so on. Those being graded on “quality”, however, needed to produce only one pot – albeit a perfect one – to get an “A”. At grading time, a curious fact emerged: the works of highest quality were all produced by the group being graded for quantity. It seems that while the “quantity” group was busily churning out piles of work – and learning from their mistakes – the “quality” group had sat theorizing about perfection, and in the end had little more to show for their efforts than grandiose theories and a pile of dead clay.”

@Kevin-Longueil said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

@collector Draw the most simple tree house you can imagine and make the best story you can out of it.

I recently had a similar situation where I was in the middle of watching yet another tutorial when I finally shut it off and told myself to just paint - I tried to paint my Dorothy from Wizard of Oz which turned out o.k 'ish but better than expected - if I had finished that video I would not have painted her - I feel like I personally need to work on the basics in most areas like value ,composition and story telling (not to mention everything related to color) so I am content with small victories - I think this might be a good idea for you too - make a small goal like having an interesting lighting scheme or an interesting story and not worry too much about nailing each aspect of the piece - also maybe set a goal of only watching 2 hours a week of tutorials for a while and only watch videos that concern problems you are having on a piece that you are actively working on - just some ideas - i look forward to seeing your work!

Thanks for your point of view and straight tip: "Draw the most simple tree house you can imagine" – I started (and always start) with the most complex subject, otherwise I feel like a loser (yeah, my brain controls me like that). But I completely understand that a loser is the one that never does something.

@Lee-White said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

this one by jake hits it perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtV-ugIT0k

Remember, finished, not perfect!

Thanks, I watched that before (love all of the Jake's videos). I even related to that with my businessman side, gotta learn how to do this with art.

Just an addendum for my initial post: I said I am a perfectionist in my work too, but I actually know how to balance "LAUNCH SOMETHING" versus "PERFECT IT LATER".

It is funny because for my current startup I started with a rough working and original prototype, launched quickly, built traction, raised money TWO times and now perfectionism is what is making us grow. But if I were a perfectionist 2 years ago, I would still be just polishing without launching a product. The "Finished, Not Perfect" is what made me fly high.

This is the opposite to what I do with art, as expressed. I don't know how to balance it, I think because of the lack of experience with the subject.

@aska said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

@collector why don't you post all your 30 thumbnails and let the forum choose?

They are mostly scribbles tied each to a set of reference photos But I liked the idea and I'll try to pack the ones I find best and post here seeking guidance.

@DOTTYP said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

You just described me,I also cant get the treehouse finished because it is never good enough! I enter contests and then have so many ideas the contest is over before I even settle on an idea. You sound like you are a perfectionist I am too,I waste so much paper. I look forward to seeing your most amazing shocking Treehouse I now I feel mine will have to be more amazing and shocking than yours lol.I hope this makes sense i am sure other people will have better advice and I need advice too.

But you actually produce art, and very beautiful pieces

Thanks for the tips. Regarding the "most amazing and shocking [item]" that's what my brain tells me haha because I know I am not able to produce that kind of stuff yet.

@Marsha-Kay-Ottum-Owen said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

@collector I'm the opposite. I crank thins out and don't take enough time ot finish them until they are my best work and post them anyway, then I am a bit embarrassed sometimes. It would eb nice o find the happy medium between overkill and rushing through in a frenzy.

Thanks for sharing your side! From everything I read and watched, etc I'm quite sure you are the one that do it correctly "Better finished than abandoned!".

@rcartwright said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

You should consider meditating (no that was not a joke) It helps to create clarity in your thoughts. I also have issues with trying to be perfect in art but you need to remember that you will be more truly critical of your own work than other people. I don't think you can create something truly unique if you worry too much about the "right way". When I start a new concept I brainstorm in writing not drawing the thumbnails are for arranging the story elements I want after my idea is clear. One thing that has helped me a lot was when I watched Jake Parker's video on "needing a product". That helped open my eyes to how I need to think, no matter how many things I need to get done or want to study I always am able to focus back on my product

That's a good tip, thanks. My wife also tells me that all the time, but with my stubbornness (and 14-16h work days, 7 days a week), I never allocate time for mediation.

"I don't think you can create something truly unique if you worry too much about the "right way"" - I completely agree and I HONESTLY don't want that in the end. I just want to... draw. But I always end up burning out without any control (and then the time left is over for the day).

One thing that has helped me a lot was when I watched Jake Parker's video on "needing a product". That helped open my eyes to how I need to think, no matter how many things I need to get done or want to study I always am able to focus back on my product – good point, I'll try to align that in the same way as a lead when I create software products. "Rough WORKING prototype first, polish later".

@mattramsey said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

That would be one obvious idea. If the problem is "is this sketch good enough" then submitting it to fellow artists should help with that.

Do you actually DO studies? or just research and thumbnails/sketches? In other words: do you draw or paint pieces that you take from other artists? And if so: do you take those studies all the way to completion--making sure you get them as close as possible to the piece you are "copying."

If not, that's your problem right there. 100% and period.

You will not be able to make the most fantastic thing ever until you have the technical skills to do so.

That will not come by watching videos alone (even 9,000 hours of them).

If you DO have the skill and your sketches/thumbnails are good then maybe it's just the case that you can't decide because they are ALL AMAZING. If so, putting up on this site will help get some other eyes on them and give you nudges in certain directions.

I just do research and thumbnails and lots of drills (lines, spheres, shapes, coordination, etc), but barely (or never) do studies. Reading your question and answering you shows how obvious the issue is. The problem lies on dealing with overflow of ideas, even for studies, i.e.: "study thousands of eyes first? environments? line balance?, etc".

@TessW said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

Oh dear, I can relate! I feel like I've mostly conquered this problem, but sometimes those overwhelming feelings start creeping back. You can definitely find strategies to help. People have already made some really great points. I also agree with the meditation advice.

Have you shared samples of your work here yet? I would really encourage you to start a new thread and show us some of your sketches, studies, thumbnails, and finished pieces. I think if we know where you are as an artist, we can give you more specific advice on how to proceed and possibly conquer these problems you experience.

As ridiculous as it seems, what I wrote in the title is literally 100% real: I never finished any piece, other than drills or scribbles/scribbled thumbnails (and hundreds of clippings from courses and books, but that is not working/drawing :P). In all those 12+ years, I try to dive into art for 3-4 months, buying new courses, getting into drills to warm up again, and then frustration hits me again because of burning out with the choices and then I abandon art once more, without ever drawing anything ("I don't need this thing in my life, waste of time, etc etc").

That's why I created the topic, it is the first time I'm expressing this ridiculous situation I insist in my desire for art every year.

@Christine-Garner said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

I can relate to the endless research thing and perfectionism but I'm taking steps to curb the habit by just doing stuff and not being so precious over things. I think you have to really let go of this perfectionism mindset and just practice with what you have got because that is the only way to beat it and the frustration and anxiety it causes. Either that or do what I do and play Dungeon Keeper 1 and 2 for a bit to relax.

Good point, "just practice with what you have got". I think the contest thing (which I also try every year to get into), is what is overkill for me as well, since I can't even draw a single subject yet.

@K.-W. said in Perfectionism, over studying and overthinking drain and burn me out and then I never draw anything (recently: made 30+ concepts for treehouse contest and now can't even start drawing a damn treehouse):

There are many different techniques you can use to deal with this kind of anxiety (which can sometimes be most helpful to learn from a licensed psychologist, especially if you're hitting a wall you can't seem to get past on your own).

Since you mentioned that, and that I don't have a problem on telling this, I have to mention that I'm bipolar (under treatment for years now). I wonder if anyone else can also relate? This bipolarity "thing" is what made me start and close lots of startups all the time, and just recently I managed to control it (and finally have a growing business). I even created a study group in Brazil called "Bipolar Entrepreneurship".

But since art is so different to what I am used to do my whole life, I still have to find a way to control it as a bipolar. My psychiatrist tells me
that for any subject that I choose, the mindset has to be the same: focus on a single subject (which is easier said than done).

But how would you feel if you chose a mediocre tree-house thumbnail, followed through by finishing that illustration, entered the contest, and did not win the contest or receive finalist status? Would you still want to have completed that illustration and entered the contest?

I learn drawing and art for the sake of just wanting do draw anything that comes into my mind (and stuff comes all the time), without any need to make a living of from it or to win anything. BUT when the thing starts to get real, i.e. a contest, challenges or actually finish something, then I go like "all or nothing, win or give up". So replying you here, I can firmly say that I don't care about winning or being a finalist, but in my subconscious, as stupid and absurd as it sounds, I don't like have "crap stuff" published under my name. "You can't delete what you publish online".

When I hold the pencil, I just can't control these thoughts.

I.e. contests drive me insane, because that inner competitive monster inside want all in or nothing. Win or die. That is one of the reasons that I never do any kind of sport or multiplayer games. I just go completely insane. Heck, I played MMORPGs for a long time and I was always a lone wolf, because if I joined other players/groups, I would be the most toxic one ever, putting pressure in everyone else, due to the need to always Win, even if that means ranking top damage, etc. That was getting ridiculous and unhealthy, so I quitted those games (hey, World of Warcraft, talking about you).

But I agree with Aska and Matt that it might help you to get started if you shared your thumbnails. Would you like to get feedback on those from the forums?

They are 30 or so pages of scribbles tied to references, with descriptions in my mind, but I'll see if I assemble and describe them in a easy way to post here, thanks

Wow, thanks everyone, lots of replies!!! I'll answer one by one in my art time tomorrow!

I love learning art and everything related to drawing and creating art overall. My mind and way of thinking is completely analytical. I like to deconstruct subjects, and reconstruct them, with comparisons with other fields and subjects. For that reason I'm an accumulator of learning resources for all kinds of subjects.

For the past 12 years or so I spent thousands of dollars in courses and books (all online). The other day I was creating a spreadsheet with all my catalog and I was shocked to know that I had around 9,000 hours of drawing video courses in external HDs and 340 or so art and drawing books (mostly digital, just 3 physical). Also not counting all monthly subscriptions that I paid during these years (currently subscribed to SVSLearn and Skillshare). Since when I watch videos I accelerate them from 2 up to 3.2x times - thanks to VLC Player for downloaded videos or SpeedControl addon in Chrome for online content) - I watched a big chunk of those courses and I normally create annotations and clippings into Evernote, so I have a huge mental database of most subjects around art and drawing. I threw one of these HDs to the trash can in a rage quit day and I didn't even care nor I miss anything, because of the amount of stuff. I have now less than half of those video courses.

I also accumulate references. I am even ashamed to show how many reference materials I have.

PROBLEMS:

• When it is time to really practice and draw, I keep researching and overthinking all the possibilities and "right way to do", that I end up freezing and then I never draw anything.

• When I finally decide to start practicing or drawing a piece, my mind goes into an infinite whirling state comparing all the dozens of different anatomy/environment/whatever courses and approaches that I watched, that I go insane and can't move on, my energy drains out, and my allocated time for drawing ends and I have to focus back on my work. Definitely art is about balance between study and practice.

• To make things even worse, if I manage to break through the 2 previous barriers, I always want to draw the "most perfect, unique and original" piece (EVEN FOR PRACTICE PIECES THAT I WILL NEVER PUBLISH OR SHOW TO ANYONE!).

A recent example: the June Treehouse contest from here. I didn't want to draw a simple treehouse as everyone else and a treehouse as we know it. I wanted to draw the "most amazing, unique and shocking treehouse ever". (I swear it is not on purpose, because I am a simple guy, but my mind plays these 3 words on me for everything that I want to create, not only art related hahaha).

For that, since the contest started (10 days ago?) I've spent 2-3h on the mornings drawing thumbnail concepts (yay I finally took the pencil) and gathering references around these concepts. When I finally like one, I think on another one and then the next day another one, etc. When it is time to draw, I am already burned and drained out because I don't know if I choose the previous one(s) or the new one, the fear of "what if I did that instead of this?"

I got so tired of the subject, that now I can't even think about "treehouse". And on my desk, there are around 30 sheets of paper with the thumbnails and concepts.

It is the first time that I talk about this subject in this way, but the last days really pissed me of (and drained me completely regarding art and drawing), specially that now I can only accommodate 1 to 3h daily for this and I never really use it in a productive way, instead, I spend overthinking or watching another anatomy/character/drawing fundamentals course.

Anyone that went through this? Any tips? Maybe a mindset so analytical, in the end, is really not fit for art?

PS: I am also a perfectionist with everything else, but at least in my field, software development, that helped me build my entrepreneurial path very quickly.

PS 2: This is completely the opposite to what I posted on another topic here, regarding "don't worry about pretty pictures, instead think that every drawing is a preparation for a next one". I can easily write about that, but I never managed to go through that route.

I like "old looking" drawings. In my opinion, your style is amazing.