The moment before WIP

  • @evilrobot I'm using the newest version of painter, yes. What do mean by colour management issues?

    As far as I know you still can't have another window open on a second monitor 😞

  • SVS OG

    @Braden-Hallett seemed like when I opened the file in Photoshop (even if I saved the color profile with the document in Painter) The image would look completely different in Photoshop than in Painter. I have painter 2015 still new in the box I was never able to get it to work right. (It might have been that Windows 2010 had some issues messing the profiles up as well) But the no dual monitor thing pretty much kills it for me. I got to have that.

  • @evilrobot painter uses some different layer types that don't necessarily mesh with photoshop. However, photoshop will do its best to interpret those layers (It'll turn a 'colourize' to 'colour' and a few other just to 'multiply') so sometimes if you import a layered file created in painter into photoshop things can get wacky.

  • SVS OG

    @Braden-Hallett Actually went ahead and upgraded to 2019 version last night. Now just have to figure out a work flow using it. Hard to mesh painted colors with line work for me you seemed to have figured it out with yours.

  • @evilrobot If you ever want brushes or workspaces, let me know πŸ™‚ There are all sorts of little magic to sort of make painter behave like photoshop.

    Have you joined the discord channel for the arts? There's a few SVS students on there and it makes it easy to chat.

  • SVS OG

    @Braden-Hallett No what's the discord channel for the arts? lol...And yes, I'd love any help you can offer on Painter.

  • SVS OG

    @Braden-Hallett Love it! I get that "pit in my stomach" feeling just looking at him. Awesome perspective!

  • @evilrobot Discord is a voice/text chatting app mostly used by gamers. @JerrySketchyArt kindly allowed us to use the 'discord for the arts' channel for our environment run through, and we use the voice channel to chat sometimes. It's an easier way to chat in person than the forums.

    If you feel like it, download discord and I'll shoot you a link. It's all free πŸ™‚

    If not, that's cool, and you can ask me painter related questions anytime you like anyhoo!

  • @shinjifujioka Thank you πŸ˜ƒ ! I remember watching some of your work being critiqued on the old third Thursdays (or even before that). I learned a lot πŸ™‚

  • SVS OG

    @Braden-Hallett Yeah, I enjoyed those critiques! I'm glad they're planning on bringing that back.

  • SVS OG

    Love it! It’s coming along fabulously. No real feedback Other than it looks awesome!

  • @Whitney-Simms Thank you πŸ˜ƒ

  • @Braden-Hallett very interesting that you are sticking with a process. I often got sidetracked and ended up taking a lot more time on a piece. I enjoyed seeing your monthly contest process. Learned a lot. Thanks for sharing.

  • @xin-li You're welcome! I get more from sharing and feedback than I think others do πŸ™‚

    And yeah, I'm really tryin' to stick to a process and only alter it slightly a little bit at a time. It seems to help, especially when it comes to getting all the puzzle pieces on the page if you get hat I mean.

  • @Braden-Hallett said in The moment before WIP:

    I get more from sharing and feedback than I think others do

    and by that I mean, by sharing, I'm getting more out of the deal as the sharer than the sharee's.

    I have NO idea if that made sense or not πŸ˜„

  • @Braden-Hallett It's been great to watch this develop and get hints at what is your process. I keep here the SVS guys mention this-and I submitted a suggestion that they devote an upcoming podcast to this-Jake said they'd take it on.

    If you care to describe yours, I'd appreciate it.

  • @Susan-Marks Thanks πŸ˜ƒ It's been great to work through these things and get feedback on my process.

    When you say 'care to describe yours' do you mean my process?

  • I think I'm pretty close to calling this one done. I'm gonna let it sit for a week πŸ™‚

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  • @Braden-Hallett Yes-my interest is in having you describe your process.
    I gather from an earlier post that you start with:
    Rough Comps
    Color comps
    -When do the value studies come in?

    And later you responded positively to a suggestion, but that you were going to stick with your process, which included sorting out that (lighting, I believe) in one of the earlier steps in your process, so you were going to stick with the process, and not go back and redo that part.

    As I mentioned, I've heard Lee and Will mention this ..."Once I found my process and stick with it, then I work out appropriate details earlier, which saves me time later.." (that's heavy paraphrasing from me on this).

    I find that I thumbnail a lot, then do what I call "first pencils", and then 2nd pencils, and then perhaps on to inking. I do this because I'm just so new to it-so I'm trying to figure out what's most important early on. I also accept that in my newness, I make some choices early on, that simply are not right/good--and only later to I see these mistakes, and then I really want to correct them. There's some value in that, but in the long run it won't be efficient. And it can lead me to dithering over and over--and not taking something to finish. I've been pushing through-because I do see the errors (opportunities) only later, perhaps with a bit of distance and small amount of subjectivity that for me comes more with the passage of a little time.

    Always curious how others with more experience make this work.

  • @Susan-Marks Cool cool πŸ™‚

    My process is pretty close in a lot of ways to the way Will Terry does it in his 10 step digital painting.

    So yeah. Thumbs, rough comps (where I assign value groupings which is pretty much my value study), colour comps, final sketch (which is 'inks') pick shapes and value group, local value, lighting, colour and then paint.

    Ideally, I should really do more in the way of a value study in the comp stage. But right now I do the final values after I've inked. The big thing I figure out in the comp/value study is whether a thing is a dark object on a light background, or a dark object on a light background.

    I make plenty of small fixes and identify all kinds of small mistakes as I go, too πŸ™‚ I think everyone does. No matter what you've gotta kind of push and pull until everything settles into place.

    However most small fixes are like changing the colour of trim on a house. It's an aesthetic choice. The problem that some people (ie, me sometimes πŸ™‚ ) have is that they think that they'd really like the foundation of their house a foot or two to the left or an extra floor. AFTER they've built the house πŸ™‚

    I'm JUST starting to figure out what aspects of a painting are foundational and learning to resist the urge to change them late in the painting. That's why we do thumbs, comps and value studies. We're laying the foundation of our houses.

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