Need help with perspective



  • I'm currently working on a piece with (to me) a difficult camera-angle. I think something is off in my sketch, but I can't pinpoint it, and it's really frustrating. This is a birds-eye-view, and I would imagine there's a vanishing point below somewhere, but how to place it without distorting everything too much :p I also think that perhaps the perspective on the flowerpot and the cord on the lamp don't match up - the cord should probably be pointing further to the left? I need the composition-class I think :/

    Any comments is greatly apriciated :)



  • Edit - posted the latest revision :)



  • @Camomilla I love the cat! It's so sinuous and sneaky looking.

    I'm not great with perspective stuff, but to me it seems that too much of the flower pot side is showing. Hope that helps a little.



  • I'm not so great at perspective either, so this is just a guess...

    This is where I currently see your lines going:
    p1.jpg

    If I shift the line of the hanging lamp then they all have the same vanishing point:
    p2.jpg

    But you'll notice that you don't have the body of your person vanishing to that same point. If you want to see a bit of the front of the person as you do now, you'll need a vanishing point slightly ahead of her, and then draw the lamp and plant to fit that.

    Maybe? Take this with a grain of salt, as I said I'm no expert :-)



  • @anthemsweet Thank you :) My worktitle is "how you know your cat is plotting to kill you" - so glad I was able to convey this in my composition :D Yes, I think you're right! There's to much side to the pot!



  • @Sarah-LuAnn Thank you for taking time to do the lines! Yes, it seems to be all over the place - no wonder it looked funky to me :p I think I would like the vanishing point to be in the doorway, right behind the woman. I'll have to adjust the pot and lamp accordingly, and tone down the chest-area of the lady :)



  • My latest revision. Vanishingpoint in red and revision in blue. I think it looks better :)

    d54b373a-ff7b-431f-9c06-d019445df49b.png



  • I agree, much improved! I might just tweak a couple little things--at that angle the circles of the lamp I think wouldn't be quite as centered. I would maybe rotate the plant clockwise just a tad. Other than that I think it's working pretty well!



  • @Sarah-LuAnn What parts of the lamp circles should be closer together? I'm sorry if it should be obvious, this doesn't come natural to me at all :p I would think perhaps the distance should be greater closer to the vanishing point? And the plant - is this to point the leaves to more interesting parts of the image or does it address the angle of the circle?

    Perhaps I should have started with more squares rather than circles 😂



  • d54b373a-ff7b-431f-9c06-d019445df49b.png

    Something like this?



  • Oh dear--I'm no expert, and now you're making me think. Its probably good for me.

    This is where I see the lines on the plant going now:

    p1.jpg

    If I rotate the plant I can get them to point more toward your vanishing point.
    I also very roughly sketched in what would seem right to me for the lamp, but let me emphasize that it is a GUESS.

    p2.jpg



  • @Sarah-LuAnn Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! I'm still having trouble understanding this, but your paintover makes it a lot clearer :)

    About the lamp - I've been thinking that it might be an odd placement for a ceiling lamp - right by a shelf and a door. Perhaps I should re-think this? When I first drew this it was the last thing I put in - simply because I felt the image needed it. It will affect the lighting-scheme quite a bit, so I have to decide now wether or not to keep it.



  • Is that the door opening under the lamp? If so, that might be enough in that corner of your composition, and you could have shadow behind the door to keep it from drawing attention away from your focus. I agree that it wouldn't make much sense to have a lamp hanging right over a doorway in a room. Whatever you want, I'm just kind of rambling :-)



  • @Sarah-LuAnn I ended up trying both and decided to ditch the door. The lamp makes the image more interesting, and now that the perspective is more accurate I think it adds some more exiting lighting options :) Than you again for all your feedback, I'll be posting an updated version in my sketchbook tonight :)



  • @Camomilla Did a quick draw over because it is easier to see i think - i agree with Sarah LuAnn about rotating the the plant - in the first sketch the door and the plant have differing vanishing points - my drawing is quick and has its own issues :) but the main things i wanted to try were changing the murder weapon to something very obvious like an anvil or bowling ball and moving the object so we could see the door edge and door frame - i think these visual queues help things read as being very forced perspective - i also wanted to try a left to right read so i flipped the composition - the other thing i added was a wall behind the cat to show that it was sitting on a transom shelf above a doorway a little more clearly - i like your image - very challenging for sure - not sure if i helped or not but it was fun trying! i look forward to seeing where you go with thisAttachment-1-2.jpeg



  • @Kevin-Longueil Wow, that's murderous 😅 I've posted an update in my sketchbook 😊


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